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Philippines & Vietnam in the South China Sea; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Mar 29 2012, 08:20 PM (1,957 Views)
Bastion
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China always thought that America is out there to stop them from rising, but I think their new leaders have already taken cared of that. Just by reading their official statements, you will know that they are not thinking very straight. you can see their assumption that the whole world is brilliant, and will believe anything they say.

Everyone knows they are an export dependent economy, but they are starting to scare their customer countries away.

Their former leaders have achieved so much, and now their new spoiled leaders are running their country like a rogue nation begging to be disrespected. Telling the whole world (with their actions) to fear our nations rise coz it will be the end of fairness and the start of Lawlessness.
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Bastion
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I really meant to say They assume the whole world is brilliant not brilliant, just a mistake
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Bastion
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seems like the system is designed to change the word S T U P I D to brilliant, I didnt know that, anyway am sure you got what I wanted to say
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Bastion
May 28 2014, 12:44 AM
seems like the system is designed to change the word S T U P I D to brilliant, I didnt know that, anyway am sure you got what I wanted to say
Glad you figured it out. Now you know why I spelled "mor-ons" this way. :armycheers:
Edited by Hong Nam, May 28 2014, 02:00 PM.

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holy crap, china just issued a big bad bully statement to vietnam: " stop resisting, its for your own good"

theyre really living up to the hype,

big bad bully!!! :brrt: :brrt: :brrt:

grp should be prepared for this
IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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Vietnam Mulling New Strategies to Deter China (thediplomat.com)
May 28, 2014
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Some Vietnamese analysts speculate that if the current rate of damage continues, Vietnam may not have enough vessels to confront China in the waters surrounding the rig.

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The core of Vietnam’s emerging strategy is to avoid confronting China directly in an attempt to force it to remove the oil rig and naval ships from Vietnam’s Exclusive Economic Zone. Rather, Vietnamese strategists seek to deter China from similar actions in the future.

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Vietnam has approached Japan and the Philippines in an effort to step up interaction with their maritime forces, including both Coast Guard and Navy. Vietnam hopes to conduct joint training and other maritime exercises, including joint patrols, in the South China Sea. These exercises would take place well away from the current site of tensions. They would be conducted on the high seas and in Vietnam’s EEZ transversing China’s nine-dash line.

Vietnam is also considering reaching out the United States. One proposal is to expedite the agreement for cooperation between their Coast Guards. The U.S. Coast Guard could be deployed to Vietnamese waters for joint training. Each party could exchange observers.

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Vietnam’s second possible strategy of deterrence, “mutually assured destruction,” applies only to a situation where relations between China and Vietnam have deteriorated to the point of armed conflict. Vietnamese strategists argue that the aim of this strategy is not to defeat China but to inflict sufficient damage and psychological uncertainty to cause Lloyd’s insurance rates to skyrocket and for foreign investors to panic and take flight.
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A dangerous dance: China, Vietnam posture in the South China Sea [cnn.com]
May 28, 2014
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The Vietnamese government had been at pains to keep this media trip under wraps, keeping print, online and broadcast journalists from Asia and the United States guessing as to the day and time of departure.

That secrecy may have been for naught: at a pre-departure briefing we are told that while the Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not formally informed its Chinese counterpart of the presence of journalists in the area, a Coast Guard official mentions that "chances are" China knows about it.


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More food for thought:

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Why ASEAN is so important to the China-Vietnam tensions


Background: ASEAN

The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (or ASEAN) is a political and economic organization of ten countries located in Southeast Asia. If ASEAN were a single entity, it would rank as the eighth largest economy in the world. The ASEAN countries together have a population of approximately 600 million people, which is 8.8% of the world’s population.

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China and Vietnam

According to the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia adopted by ASEAN’s member states, members have agreed to show mutual respect for the independence, sovereignty, equality, territorial integrity, and national identity of all member nations, along with:

  • -The peaceful settlement of differences or disputes

  • -The renunciation of the threat or use of force

China is testing ASEAN’s solidarity with Vietnam on these pledges amid violent protests that have erupted in Vietnam against the deployment of a Chinese oil rig to disputed waters. It’s also evaluating how much U.S. support Vietnam can rely upon under these circumstances.

The test is to evaluate the Obama Administration’s Asian policy, which seeks to balance the desire for good relations with China with the need to support smaller countries in the region. However, China views the United States’ so-called rebalance of Asia as a potential threat, believing its focus in the region encourages China’s smaller neighbors to stand up to the country.

Moreover, in a call on May 14, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi briefed his counterpart, Marty Natalegawa, from Indonesia on the situation with Vietnam and said he hoped the ten-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations could “clearly understand the basic facts of the incident.” China’s request to Indonesia to mediate in the conflict seems to be an attempt to show how divided ASEAN is. However, Indonesia has taken no side on the sovereignty disputes in the South China Sea.


Renewed tension

The economic and political relations between China and Vietnam, also referred to as “Sino-Vietnamese relations,” have never been at ease since the two countries fought a month-long war in 1979. Strains in their relations deepened in 2009, when China presented a claim to 80% of the South China Sea to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

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The importance of having a claim over the area

Having a claim over the South China Sea is particularly important to both sides, since it involves claims on the possession of two island groups, the Paracels and Spratlys, and more importantly the right to explore and exploit the natural resources in and below the waters surrounding the islands. Although proven reserves haven’t yet been forthcoming, the most optimistic estimates from China suggest that the potential oil resources of the Spratly and Paracel Islands could be as high as 213 billion barrels of oil and the area is also rich in natural gas.

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Edited by MSantor, May 29 2014, 02:17 AM.
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
- Winston Churchill


"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton
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PH contingency plan amid sea row up [manilastandardtoday.com]
May. 29, 2014
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Aquino made the statement following the sinking of a Vietnamese boat that was rammed by a Chinese vessel near a controversial oil rig near the disputed Paracel Island.

“We are closely monitoring the developments. We are gathering all the lessons we have learned. Our Armed Forces of the Philippines, Coast Guard, and other concerned agencies are looking at possible scenarios and what our appropriate responses should be,” the President said.

But if we make public our responses, that is like giving up our game plan for those whose beliefs are not aligned with ours. So we should keep secret our contingency plans,” he added.
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Game On, Again? Vietnam Planning to File Legal Action Against China Over South China Sea Dispute
by Julian Ku
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The Philippines Government has stated that Vietnam has consulted it about its ongoing arbitration case against China and the two nations issued a joint statement of solidarity opposing China's actions in the South China Sea.

What would the Vietnam legal action look like? The most likely action would be to seek arbitration under Annex VII of UNCLOS, just as the Philippines has done.

At first glance, I can't see how Vietnam's claim would be any better or worse than that of the Philippines with respect to jurisdiction. So I think we will see a rerun of the Philippines arbitration. Vietnam will constitute a tribunal, China will not participate, and away it goes.

Some other reports out of Vietnam suggest it will file a claim with the International Court of Justice, if only to show their good faith, even though the ICJ has no jurisdiction over China. I don't think this is a great strategy, but maybe it will be a useful diplomatic showcase.

Finally, there are reports Vietnam will allow its state-owned oil company to file an action against China's state-owned oil company in Vietnamese courts. This actually seems like an interesting idea, since once the Vietnamese company won the judgment, it could in theory try to enforce it against the assets of the Chinese company overseas. It is not a slam-dunk, but it certainly could be a plausible claim.

I am doubtful that an additional arbitration will lead to China backing down. Certainly, the Philippines arbitration has not caused China to moderate its behavior toward the Philippines. The extra added pressure of a Vietnam arbitration is not huge, and my guess is that China will continue to simply ignore the arbitrations, reputational costs be damned.



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