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Philippines & Vietnam in the South China Sea; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Mar 29 2012, 08:20 PM (1,959 Views)
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Chinese Military Said to Be Massing Near the Vietnam Border (+Photos)
By Joshua Philipp, Epoch Times
May 18, 2014


Troops, tanks, trucks, artillery, and armored personnel carriers of China’s military were seen heading to the Vietnamese border on May 16 and 17, according to photographs taken by by residents near the border.

A reverse image search of each of the photographs using Google indicated that the photographs had appeared on the Internet only recently. Most were indexed by Google on Saturday.







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Chinese troops carrying anti-tank weapons are seen marching in Guangxi Province, near the border with Vietnam. Local netizens report a strong smell of gunpowder. (Weibo.com)


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Chinese troops are seen marching in a city street in Chongzuo in China’s Guangxi Province near the Vietnam border. (Weibo.com)


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A Chinese tank is seen near the border with Vietnam, as tensions grow more tense between the two countries. (Weib.com)


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A convoy of Chinese military vehicles are seen in Fangchenggang City in Guangxi, near the Vietnam border. (Weibo.com)


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Chinese artillery is being transported in Chongzuo City, Guangxi Province. (Weibo.com)



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PNoy, Vietnam PM to discuss defense cooperation
By Louis Bacani (philstar.com) | Updated May 20, 2014 - 5:38pm

MANILA, Philippines — Amid the increasing tensions in the South China Sea, President Benigno Aquino III will discuss defense cooperation with Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung when the latter visits Manila on Wednesday.

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said Dung will have his working visit to the Philippines starting tomorrow until Friday upon the invitation of President Aquino and for the World Economic Forum on East Asia (WEF-EA) to be held here.

"Prime Minister Dung will meet with the President tomorrow, May 21, to discuss matters of mutual concern, including cooperative activities in defense, tourism, and trade and investment," the DFA said.


http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/05/20/1325330/pnoy-vietnam-pm-discuss-defense-cooperation
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China hits Asean chief for wanting its exit from disputed sea
By Camille Diola (philstar.com)
Updated May 20, 2014 - 3:07pm



MANILA, Philippines - Beijing was not happy about Asean Secretary-General Le Luong Minh's statement that China must leave the disputed waters to avoid further confrontations.

China Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told China Daily on Tuesday that China regrets that the Vietnamese leader of the 10-nation Southeast Asian bloc expressed his opinion on the issue over China's oil rig in the Vietnam-claimed maritime area in the South China Sea.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published Friday, Minh said that China's exit from the contested zone will be "conducive to restoring confidence" in talks among China and rival claimants Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei - all of which are Asean members.

"The next step now, we have to get China out of the territorial waters of Vietnam. That's the first thing," Minh said.



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PHL, Vietnam agree to oppose China’s ‘violations’ in disputed waters (gmanetwork.com)
May 21, 2014
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The Philippines and Vietnam have agreed to oppose China over its alleged violations in disputed areas in the South China Sea, visiting Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung said Wednesday.

"The two sides [are] determined to oppose China's violations and called on countries in the international community to continue strongly condemning China and demanding China to immediately end its... violations and fully and strictly observe international law," Dung said during the joint statement with President Benigno Aquino III.

He explained that he and Aquino share "deep concerns" over the "current extremely dangerous situation" caused by China’s actions in the South China Sea that violate laws such as the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

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Appeal to int'l community

"More than ever before, ASEAN and the international community need to continue raising a strong voice in protesting against this serious violating actions, securing the strict observance of the international law and peace and stability in the region in the world," Dung during his toast at the dinner held in his honor.


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May 21 2014, 08:08 PM
PHL, Vietnam agree to oppose China’s ‘violations’ in disputed waters (gmanetwork.com)
May 21, 2014

Voice of America
Philippines, Vietnam Leaders Meet, Take a Swipe at China
Simone Orendain
May 21, 2014 7:06 AM

MANILA - Vietnam's prime minister held talks with the Philippines president on Wednesday in Manila. They discussed strengthening defense ties and maritime cooperation. But the prime minister drew attention over his tough words for China, saying both Manila and Hanoi are determined to oppose what he says are Beijing’s territorial violations in the South China Sea.

During meetings Wednesday the leaders said they are interested in advancing cooperation in defense matters and plan to consult each other more actively when it comes to regional security.


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Vietnam threatens legal action against China
By JIM GOMEZ
Associated Press - 2 hours 10 minutes ago


MANILA, Philippines (AP) - Vietnam's prime minister said Thursday for the first time that his country was considering legal action against China over its sovereignty claims in the South China Sea, a move that Beijing would likely fiercely oppose.

In a written reply to questions sent by The Associated Press, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung "like all countries, Vietnam is considering various defense options, including legal actions in accordance with the international law," said Dung who did not specify what legal action Hanoi was considering.

Two Vietnamese diplomats have previously told The AP that Vietnam might now file its own appeal or join Manila's legal challenge against China. A senior Philippine government official told The AP that Dung and other Vietnamese officials mentioned that plan to their Philippine counterparts in closed-door meetings on Wednesday. None gave their name because they were not authorized to speak to the media.


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With 130 ships, planes guarding oil rig, China imperils maritime peace – Vietnam PM
By: Dexter San Pedro, InterAksyon.com
May 22, 2014 6:25 PM

MANILA - Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung denounced China's aggressive actions over maritime disputes in the region during the opening of the World Economic Forum-East Asia summit on Thursday.

"May I draw your attention to the serious situation going on in the East Sea. Since May 1, 2014, China has deployed more than 130 ships including military vessels and planes to guard the placement of its oil drilling rig in the location which is 40 nautical miles deep into the Vietnamese exclusive economic zone prescribed by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas," Nguyen said.

"This gravely violates the international law and the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea or the DOC to which China is also a signatory," he added, in a speech at the summit.

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If Vietnam-China Showdown Turns Hot, Here's How It Could Go Down
Conflict between China and Vietnam is between a heavyweight and an underdog



Suffice to say, Vietnam is outmatched. But Hanoi is rapidly building up its military forces. Chinese and Vietnamese clashes are also not likely to end if one side backs down tomorrow.


Armed clash?

Could a Sino-Vietnamese clash in the South China Sea actually take place? It's possible, but there are a few complications.

Let's get this out of the way: The latest confrontation is indeed highly dangerous. This time, China is taking an unusually confrontational approach with Vietnam.

While China and Japan have squared off at the Senkaku (also known as Diaoyu) islands in the East China Sea, the confrontation there has been relatively mild. Both China and Japan have used water cannons, but there has been no ramming and uniformed Chinese military has stayed out of the picture.

At this point, it looks like the side most likely to escalate would be Vietnam. Hanoi believes the rig is intruding onto Vietnamese territory, whereas China has already established a presence in the area. Essentially, China is attempting to create a new status quo in the region without resorting to shooting at anyone, and success partly depends on Vietnam backing down.

Vietnam might back down - for now. Most of the new fleet Hanoi recently bought for itself is still in shipyards under construction, and what ships it has would be grossly outnumbered by the South Sea Fleet. Vietnam's air and naval forces wouldn't stand a chance.

Time is on China's side. China has taken the initiative and left Vietnam with few options. Vietnam's best bet is the legal option, filing a claim with the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea over Chinese intrusion in its EEZ. The Philippines filed a similar claim earlier this year against China regarding the South China Sea.

Of course, China has ignored the Philippines' claim, and will likely ignore Vietnam's claim too.

But if China ignores any legal decisions against it, where would that leave Vietnam?

Here's where. In a few years, Vietnam will have the best submarine fleet in southeast Asia. And, having exhausted other avenues of dispute resolution, a reason to use it.



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the best recourse for vietnam is what I suggest for the philippines. its to do it "by the book"
1.) file legal action with unclos
2.) wait for unclos to clearly delineated the boundaries in the specific area(for vietnam - paracels and EEz, for philippines - ayungin, mischief, panatag and kalayaan islands owenership.
3.) while waiting for the unclos ruling, both small countries need to re-arm as fast as possible so they will have some hitting power to use even if it is small.obviously, for example, using only the 2 whecs(without missiles) would be stupidity, but having a modest SSM and SAM umbrella that is sea-based, land-based and air-based is more credible even if it is still puny compared to the bully.
3.) once unclos has ruled on the lines of demarcation, then philippines/vietnam can use forceful action starting with police/coast guard and escalating from there. it does not matter if they are weaker since international law is now clear , and hence the 2 countries are within their rights to take strong enforcement actions even firing.
4.) if the bully retaliates, they will be the clear culprit since international law(UNCLOS) has ruled on who owns who, and it will be much , much easier for allies to help since the areas are not in dispute in the eyes of UNCLOS, but rather those areas have now been clearly invaded or violated. Furthermore, trade sanctions will come into effect, bully exports will stop and their economy will collapse....What the bully is hoping is for is to use intimidation in order that the small countries will surrender without a fight. because if the small countries put up a fight then the bully economy will be deeply affected since the sealanes will be shut-down.
one other thing is to reduce economic or trade dependence on the bully. in the case of vietnam, they are in a difficult situation because their trade and economy with the bully is much,much bigger so they need to stop their trade dependence on the bully. for the philippines, it is easier, since uncle sam has started taking some the slack, e.g. banana exports plus our trade is not as dependent on the bully as vietnam.
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Ergh... That is exactly what the preceding article said.

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