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| Philippines & Vietnam in the South China Sea; updates, discussions | |
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| Ayoshi | May 14 2014, 04:31 PM Post #41 |
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Vietnamese ship hits back at 15 Chinese vessels with water cannon (tuoitrenews.vn) 5/12/2014 ![]()
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| seWer Rat | May 14 2014, 06:04 PM Post #42 |
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Vietnam Coast Guard chief slams China for using warships to guard oil rig China’s deployment of warships and aircraft to protect its illegal drilling rig Haiyang 981 in Vietnamese waters in the East Vietnam Sea runs counter and is unacceptable to international practices, according to the chief of the Vietnam Coast Guard. Major General Nguyen Quang Dam, commander of the Vietnam Coast Guard, made that statement during an online chat with Tuoi Tre newspaper readers in Ho Chi Minh City on Wednesday, in connection to the Chinese-run oil rig and how the Vietnam Coast Guard has dealt with aggressive acts from dozens of Chinese ships at the scene. The official said there has been no sign of the Chinese ships withdrawing from the scene so far. He affirmed that over the last week, China has deployed 70 to 80 vessels and aircraft to protect operations of the rig on a daily basis, adding the Chinese vessels are always ready to ram or fire high-power water cannons at Vietnam Coast Guard ships and the Vietnam fisheries surveillance force, which are trying to persuade the Chinese side to remove its rig from Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone and continental shelf. “Their violent acts have posed serious threats to the lives of Vietnamese members of law enforcement,” Dam said, expressing his concerns. He also criticized China for having ignored reactions from the international community and seriously violating Vietnamese and international laws. The Vietnam Coast Guard chief said that China, as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, is aware that their acts have breached the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/19638/vietnam-coast-guard-chief-slams-china-for-using-warships-to-protect-oil-rig |
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| Hong Nam | May 15 2014, 10:06 PM Post #43 |
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U.S. navy renews call for ship visits to Vietnam as tensions worsen Reuters By Greg Torode 6 hours ago Hong Kong (Reuters) - The U.S. navy renewed calls on Thursday for more ship visits to Vietnam against the backdrop of a dramatic breakdown in relations between Vietnam and its giant neighbor, China. The Seventh Fleet, which guards U.S. interests in the Pacific, restated its desire for stronger naval ties with Vietnam in a statement sent to Reuters, just as Hanoi looked to be running out of options in its territorial row with Beijing. Vietnamese military officials say they are intensifying talks with U.S. counterparts over deeper naval engagement, but are sensitive to China's reaction to this development. Vietnamese military officials also keep close ties with the Philippines, which is also locked in a worsening territorial dispute with China in the South China Sea. "At this point, kissing up to the U.S. has got to be in Vietnam's long-term interests, as well as being a vital tactic in the short-term. It is one of the only options Vietnam's got right now." - Carl Thayer, Australian Defence Force Academy Reuters / Yahoo |
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| Hong Nam | May 15 2014, 10:45 PM Post #44 |
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Chinese Assertiveness in the South China Sea: What Should Vietnam Do? Le Hong Hiep May 15, 2014 Against this backdrop, questions arise as to why China has targeted Vietnam rather than other claimant states in the South China Sea. First, China might have considered Vietnam a more 'convenient' target than other ASEAN claimant states. Targeting Vietnam might not stir up as much concern and protest from other powers as targeting the Philippines, which has recently tightened its military cooperation with the US. Second, the rig's area of operation is close to the Paracels, which facilitates China's protection of the rig. In that sense, it's physically easier for China to coerce Vietnam than other claimants for simple reasons of geography. Third, Vietnam is China's biggest rival in the South China Sea so targeting it can provide Beijing with an opportunity to test Vietnam's genuine capabilities and resolve. Fourth, Vietnam has recently made efforts to forge closer ties with the US so the deployment of the rig might serve as a timely reminder of the consequences of such actions. It's obvious that Vietnam isn't willing to use force to evict the rig from its EEZ - it risks a major war with China, which is undesirable for Hanoi. Vietnam's restraint in using force is therefore understandable, although it might raise doubts regarding Vietnam's deterrence capabilities against China. As a result, the most important thing Vietnam can do now is to name and shame China internationally and to enlist international diplomatic support in denouncing China's actions. In addition to diplomatic protests, Vietnam will likely maintain the constant presence of its paramilitary vessels around the scene, at least as a form of protest against China's actions, if not as a tactic to obstruct the deployment and operation of the rig. National Interest |
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| boybim | May 15 2014, 11:25 PM Post #45 |
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vietnam may very well laud itself on how to managely restrain the bumper chinese ships.but vietnam,unlike the philippines has a small international voice due to the ironic status politicaly with china as its small communist brother. vietnam ought to open up more internationally,accept worldviews clearly,and express clearly.diplomaticaly,economicaly and socialy,not just militarily these is where the philippines has a high point..we shout back at the wolf in the backyard.vietnam ought to file with UNCLOS to press more pressure from the chinese |
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| Hong Nam | May 15 2014, 11:33 PM Post #46 |
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China sending giant oil rig to Vietnam's EEZ: Four strategic mistakes by Ha Anh Tuan China's newest escalation in the SCS represents a serious miscalculation by China's policy makers. They have made four strategic mistakes: First, the new development gives Vietnam no alternative but a bold and determined reaction. Article 56 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in 1982 (UNCLOS) established that a coastal state has sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing the natural resources in its EEZ. Therefore, no interpretation of the UNCLOS can explain China's intention to drill oil well within Vietnam's EEZ. Second, China's action violates the principles of the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the SCS and deepens suspicions among regional countries about its true intention. In addition to Vietnam and the Philippines, Singapore and Malaysia are increasingly concerned about China's behavior in the region. Indonesia, which once maintained strict neutrality toward territorial disputes in the SCS, has reversed its position, and is contesting China's claim in the SCS because it challenges Jakarta's rights in the Natuna waters. In fact, Chinese armed authority vessels have encountered Indonesian authority ships several times in the last few years in waters claimed by Jakarta. If China manages to drill oil in Vietnam's EEZ, as it did when taking control of Scarborough Shoal from the Philippines in 2012, it will go further southward and clashes would be expected with Malaysia and Indonesia. Given Indonesia's role in ASEAN, Jakarta's recent change in position toward China is a setback for China. The more assertive it is in disputes in the SCS, the more its international prestige is damaged. Third, China loses its pretext for military modernization. Beijing claims that its military modernization is defensive in nature, and it will not undermine regional security. During the period of rising tension in the SCS from 2007 to 2013, China often refrained from using naval forces. However, to protect China's giant oil rig in Vietnam's EEZ, Beijing has sent seven naval vessels to join 33 maritime surveillance ships and dozens of maritime police, transportation, and fishing ships. For the first time in the last few years, Chinese naval vessels have taken part in a direct dispute in the SCS. Other countries, therefore, have reasons to worry about the true intentions behind China's military modernization program. Finally, China's move may destabilize regional security, creating a hurdle to Beijing's efforts to restructure its economy and sustain its growth. Beijing is facing severe domestic challenges, among them deterioration of the environment, an aging population, and separatist movements in Tibet and Xinjiang. In the last few years, terrorist attacks by separatist forces have occurred in major cities, threatening China's social stability. In addition, Chinese economic growth has shown signs of slowing. Chinese leaders need a stable international environment to concentrate resources on internal challenges. Its actions in the SCS, however, may destabilize regional security and undermine efforts to sustain growth. Being aggressive and causing regional instability doesn't help China realize its goals of economic growth and social development. The best way for China to rise to a status of a global power is to work out a new way to rise, one in which the core principle for its foreign relations is to cooperate for mutual benefit, respect legitimate rights of other countries, and settle disputes via peaceful negotiations. Running fast does not guarantee that it will arrive at its destination. Ha Anh Tuan is a Ph.D. Candidate in Politics and International Relations at the University of New South Wales, Australia, and a Pacific Forum CSIS Young Leader. Center for Strategic and International Studies Edited by Hong Nam, May 15 2014, 11:37 PM.
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| Ayoshi | May 17 2014, 01:50 PM Post #47 |
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May 16, 2014 Pinoys, Vietnamese join anti-China protest as PH lawmaker says Hanoi eyeing case in UN tribunal (interaksyon.com)
=== Militants call China an environmental terrorist (abs-cbnnews.com)
![]() Photo by ABS-CBN News ![]() Members of Akbayan party-list, dressed as turtles, stage a protest at the Chinese consulate in Makati City Friday to protest poaching in Philippine waters after 11 Chinese fishermen were arrested with hundreds of endangered sea turtles. (photo by Jamin Verde, InterAksyon.com) |
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| seWer Rat | May 18 2014, 08:33 PM Post #48 |
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PLA troops spotted near China-Vietnam border A large number of People's Liberation Army troops have been spotted heading towards the China-Vietnam border as tensions between the two countries continue to escalate, reports Hong Kong's Sing Tao Daily. Thousands of Chinese nationals living or on business in Vietnam have already fled the country amid anti-China riots, which were sparked by a tense standoff between Chinese and Vietnamese naval ships near a Chinese oil rig in disputed waters off the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea on May 4. The Chinese foreign ministry confirmed Friday that at least two Chinese nationals have been killed and nearly a hundred were injured during violent protests last week that saw dozens of Chinese, Taiwanese and Hong Kong factories set on fire. The UK's Guardian claims as many as 21 people have died. As yet another large-scale anti-China protest was scheduled for Sunday, Chinese netizens reported seeing an "endless stream" of PLA soldiers in full combat gear at Chongzuo train station, apparently on their way to the 97-kilometer China-Vietnam border at Pingxiang city in southern China's Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region. The soldiers were said to have been accompanied by tanks, armored vehicles, missile launchers and other heavy artillery. more |
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| Hong Nam | May 18 2014, 09:52 PM Post #49 |
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Extremely dangerous. Predicting the predictable - What the "West" thinks is illogical is entirely logical in the "Middle Kingdom" mindset. ![]() "It has happened once... it could happen again." Edited by Hong Nam, May 18 2014, 10:07 PM.
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| Andres Boning | May 18 2014, 11:43 PM Post #50 |
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I think China is planning to do a "Putin" strategy ala Russia/ Ukraine, let's see what happens.. |
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