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| Philippines & Vietnam in the South China Sea; updates, discussions | |
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| boybim | May 9 2014, 06:20 PM Post #31 |
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this is why those 40 meter new boats from japan ought to have ramming hulls and super powerful spray cannons.lest we just be bullied knowing what were up against...and to think chinas coast guards are deploying at least corvette sized ships.the reason wht 40meter ships though new "will be bullied"'easily like middle school |
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| Ayoshi | May 9 2014, 07:27 PM Post #32 |
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China blames Vietnam for ship collisions in disputed waters (channelnewsasia.com) 9 May 2014
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| Hong Nam | May 10 2014, 08:46 PM Post #33 |
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China Flexes Its Muscles in Dispute With Vietnam Jane Perlez and Rick Gladstone The New York Times May 09, 2014 China's escalating dispute with Vietnam over contested waters in the South China Sea sent new shudders through Asia on Thursday as China demanded the withdrawal of Vietnamese ships near a giant Chinese drilling rig and for the first time acknowledged its vessels had blasted the Vietnamese flotilla with water cannons in recent days. While China characterized the use of water cannons as a form of restraint, it punctuated the increasingly muscular stance by the Chinese toward a growing number of Asian neighbors who fear they are vulnerable to bullying by China and its increasingly powerful military. Political and economic historians said the China-Vietnam tensions signaled a hardening position by the Chinese over what they regard as their "core interest" in claiming sovereignty over a vastly widened swath of coastal waters that stretch from the Philippines and Indonesia north to Japan. "I find it quite alarming, because it was not so many years ago that there was a relatively tranquil relationship between China and its neighbors. Now we have a picture that's slowly pixelating, from Indonesia, to Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Japan, up the neighborhood. We begin to get a picture of stress and strain. This is not exactly the peaceful rise of China that we were advertised." - Orville Schell, director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations ndtv.com |
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| Hong Nam | May 10 2014, 09:11 PM Post #34 |
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China Abandons Small-Stick Diplomacy? By James R. Holmes May 10, 2014 PLA Navy units were among the mix of vessels tangling in the Paracels. Is Beijing abandoning the small-stick diplomacy that has served it so well in recent years? Maybe. It wouldn't be the first time China's leadership has chucked out a promising diplomatic venture for mysterious reasons, or missed an opportunity to smooth out relations with Asian neighbors. Dumb and self-defeating things are part of Beijing's strategic repertoire. Sending official vessels to grab an atoll within a coastal state's offshore waters is equivalent to setting up an outpost on another nation's borderlands. Encouraging fishing fleets to ply their trade in another nation's EEZ is equivalent to encouraging poachers to cross land frontiers to purloin natural resources. It shows that Beijing is guilty of cross-border aggression at Scarborough Shoal or Mischief Reef, or when it tries to auction off parts of the Vietnamese EEZ (as it did in 2012). And thwarting cross-border aggression is central to any mutual defense pact, as well as to overarching documents such as the UN Charter. It's hard to claim blue territory adjoining islands that aren't islands at all. Some of the Spratlys and Paracels may qualify for territorial seas. Partially submerged features may not qualify for anything at all. This suggests the bones of a dual strategy for Southeast Asia states and external allies such as the United States: extend mutual-defense arrangements to cover EEZs washing against coastal-state homelands while seeking legal rulings on the status of the Spratlys and the Paracels. And indeed, Manila recently opened a legal offensive, taking its case to the Law of the Sea Tribunal. In all likelihood, the jurists will agree that there is no basis for Beijing's nine-dashed line - especially where it claims waterspace within EEZs adjacent to the metropolitan Philippines. As for the flyspecks in the central South China Sea, all claimants are apt to be disappointed at the tribunal's findings. Few are islands in any legal sense. Sovereignty over them confers exclusive economic rights to minor sea areas at most. A decision to that effect would return most of that expanse to what it should be: an international commons, open to free use by any seafaring society. China's response to such a ruling will probably evoke the Incredible Hulk: China smash!!! After all, it's a big country and other countries are small countries. Small countries should get used to it, dontcha know? But if it does defy the tribunal, Beijing will have revealed just how lawless it is. And it will have given fellow Asia-Pacific sea powers reason to join forces against it. Let's wage some lawfare of our own. The Diplomat Edited by Hong Nam, May 10 2014, 09:12 PM.
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| Hong Nam | May 10 2014, 09:30 PM Post #35 |
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South China Sea Clash: Asia's Dangerous Game By Sreeram Chaulia May 10, 2014 It is time for East Asia to step up cooperation to check expansionist tendencies. China, Vietnam and the Philippines represent a triad of instability and tension in the Asia-Pacific with their incompatible nationalistic claims over islets and energy-rich water bodies. So deeply entrenched is the animosity among the three that even the nomenclature of the terrain on which they make their shows of force is subject to controversy. Although the South China Sea has long been a hotbed of rival nationalisms, the genesis of the current troubles lies in China's post-2008 reincarnation as a more assertive regional power. Prior to that, Beijing had maintained an accommodative and non-provocative posture vis-à-vis its smaller Southeast Asian neighbors. The Chinese leadership that inherited the economic pragmatism of Deng Xiaoping around the turn of the millennium had placed a premium on avoiding hostilities with its ASEAN neighbors as it sought to deepen trade and investment links. Running parallel to China's unabashed willingness to scare off Southeast Asian countries is its ever-widening fissure with Japan in Northeast Asia. Beijing makes provocative naval and aerial thrusts along the edges of disputed terrain with a view to literally testing the waters and gauging how each country will respond. The ease with which China grabbed the Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea by walling it off from the Philippines has only emboldened Beijing. China is now trying the same "cabbage strategy" of planting civilian vessels, wrapped in layers and layers of military protection, in waters claimed by Vietnam and Japan and then staying put despite howls of anger. The only instance where China developed cold feet in this game of establishing dominion was with its ADIZ in the East China Sea. Japanese and American military aircraft ignored China's line in the sky, regularly entering the zone with impunity. Faced with a scenario of having to walk the talk of its quarantined zone, Beijing instead quietly backed off and stopped announcing Japanese and U.S. "violations." The lesson is clear: China is amenable only to counter-mobilization of equal or greater force by its opponents. For the moment, East Asia presents a divided and scattered picture, which works in China's favor. India, a member of the East Asia Summit, must play a decisive role in constructing an alternative bloc that is able to work together to check expansionist tendencies. Joint maritime business consortiums that rope in companies from smaller claimants who are being harassed by China will be worthwhile investments for India to propose and initiate. The region needs to be able to offer the proverbial "equal and opposite reaction" to China's actions, if the Asia-Pacific is to breathe easier. The Diplomat |
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| asianobserve | May 10 2014, 11:47 PM Post #36 |
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I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before China turns again to us its "push-first-then-talk-later" policy. Our only defense now is a skillful use of the MDT with US. |
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| Hong Nam | May 11 2014, 01:59 PM Post #37 |
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Vietnam sea spat part of China's larger strategy: experts By Felicia Sonmez AFP News - 13 hours ago China sending an oil rig to waters disputed with Vietnam is a move to assert its legal claim and practical hold over contested territory whatever the short-term political and diplomatic costs, analysts say - but could play into Washington's hands. It also comes amid heightened tensions between Beijing and Manila, which has asked a United Nations tribunal to rule on China's claims over most of the sea. Beijing - which prefers to negotiate directly with its smaller, weaker neighbours - has vehemently rejected arbitration. The timing of Beijing's move "has spurred speculation that this was a tit-for-tat response" to Obama's trip to US allies Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and the Philippines last month, when China's territorial claims were a constant theme, noted Carl Thayer, a Vietnam expert and emeritus professor at the Australian Defence Force Academy. But the unilateral step - similar to Beijing's November declaration of an "air defence identification zone" over much of the East China Sea -- risks bolstering Washington's argument that China is taking "provocative" steps in the region. "If I were an American, I'd say, 'Thank you', because it just makes everybody feel that China's being aggressive. It's clear, there's tension in all of this area and it wasn't happening before China was stronger." - David Zweig, Centre on China's Transnational Relations AFP / Yahoo Edited by Hong Nam, May 11 2014, 02:01 PM.
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| Ayoshi | May 12 2014, 04:45 PM Post #38 |
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PH, Vietnam urge strong Asean action vs China (inquirer.net) May 12th, 2014
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| Hong Nam | May 13 2014, 10:50 AM Post #39 |
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ASEAN fires warning shot across China's bows Martin Abbugao AFP News - 16 hours ago Southeast Asian leaders have expressed "serious concern" over worsening territorial disputes in the South China Sea, presenting a rare united front against an increasingly assertive Beijing. Vietnam and the Philippines led a successful push for the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to deliver a thinly veiled rebuke to China over the standoff in waters home to key shipping lanes and thought to contain huge energy reserves. ASEAN called on all parties involved to "exercise self-restraint, not to resort to threat(s) or use of force, and to resolve disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the universally recognised principles of international law". Observers said the statement marked a change of tone by the regional bloc, many of whose members - including Myanmar - have close economic and political ties with China and have traditionally avoided confrontation with the Asian heavyweight. In 2012 China's ally Cambodia caused consternation when it was ASEAN head by refusing to take Beijing to task over its assertive maritime stance. "This is a far cry from when Cambodia was ASEAN chair. The statement represents a slight tightening of ASEAN's position and it suggests a rare level of "consensus" on the vexed sea rights issue." - Carl Thayer AFP / Yahoo |
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| Hong Nam | May 13 2014, 10:54 AM Post #40 |
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China says Vietnam efforts to rope in others on spat will fail Reuters 6 hours ago BEIJING (Reuters) - China's foreign ministry said on Monday Vietnam's efforts to garner support over a territorial dispute in the South China Sea would fail, a day after Southeast Asian leaders meeting for a regional summit in Myanmar refrained from criticizing Beijing. "The facts prove that Vietnam is trying to rope in other parties and put pressure on China, (but) will not achieve its aims. We hope that Vietnam can see the situation clearly, calmly face up to reality, and stop harassing the Chinese operations." - Hua Chunying, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Reuters / Yahoo |
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