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| US & China Square Off Over South China Sea | |
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| Mckoyzzz | Jul 16 2012, 02:28 PM Post #11 |
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In relation to your posts, Spear... here's another article
It seemed, China's strategy is swarming or overwhelming the enemy with sheer numbers... However, I doubt if this would be the case as I believed that if ever that US and China goes to war, I believe the US will bomb the hell out of China's communications center, missile launch sites, mobile-missile launchers, etc... with heavy bombers, air-strikes, cruise missiles, while maybe at the same time using Growlers (radar jamming jet fighters) for defense... |
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| Mckoyzzz | Jul 16 2012, 02:39 PM Post #12 |
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Oh, and before I forgot, Raytheon also successfully tested its Griffin Missiles against' fast moving boats/craft which will be integrated into the US Navy... This will be used against swarming threats...
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| Parastriker | Jul 16 2012, 04:42 PM Post #13 |
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We are quite getting far from topic (I think, hehe) gentlemen. |
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| seWer Rat | Jul 16 2012, 04:50 PM Post #14 |
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US Pacific command chief, Del Rosario tackle developments in West Philippine Sea By Fat Reyes INQUIRER.net 3:52 pm | Monday, July 16th, 2012 http://globalnation.inquirer.net/44451/us-...-philippine-sea MANILA, Philippines – Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert Del Rosario said he discussed “developments in the West Philippine Sea” with United States Pacific Command chief Admiral Samuel Locklear at a meeting they had at the Department of Foreign Affairs Monday. Locklear was seen arriving at the DFA office in Pasay around 2:30 p.m. He was accompanied by Harry Thomas, US Ambassador to the Philippines. “We spoke about many topics. We spoke about regional issues. We spoke about bilateral issues. We talked about WPS, developments there. We also talked about the credible defense posture, and we also talked about maritime domain awareness and the assistance that we’re seeking from them,” Del Rosario said in an interview with reporters after he accompanied Locklear and his staff at the lobby of the DFA building. |
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| seWer Rat | Jul 16 2012, 05:27 PM Post #15 |
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PNoy, USPACOM’s Locklear huddle over security matters GIAN C. GERONIMO, GMA NEWS July 16, 2012 4:16pm http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/26558...ecurity-matters President Benigno Aquino III and a United States Pacific Command (USPACOM) official on Monday discussed Philippine maritime security within the context of the minimum credible defense posture. In a courtesy call on President Benigno Aquino III USPACOM Commander Admiral Samuel J. Locklear reiterated the US commitment toward the partnership with the Philippines, Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office Secretary Ramon Carandang told reporters in a briefing at the Palace. "There was also, again, a reiteration of the assistance that they’re willing to provide us so that we can build a minimum credible defensive posture for the country," said Carandang. The posture entails US support in terms of military hardware. The meeting touched on maritime and regional security issues, as well as developments in the US-Philippine bilateral defense alliance that marked its 60th anniversary last year. However, Carandang said the Aquino and Locklear meeting did not delve into any specific events that happened over the weekend. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Jul 16 2012, 05:28 PM Post #16 |
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I think we're still on topic... the thread is about US-China squaring off... we're discussing about what would happen if the US-China went on to battle each other out... |
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| Real Macoy | Jul 16 2012, 07:05 PM Post #17 |
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^^This is it guys! Get ready for the SONA announcements..
Remember the word "Operational lease" proposed, requested by Sec. Del Rosario to Sec. Clinton before and his wish list???
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| Parastriker | Jul 16 2012, 07:50 PM Post #18 |
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Pardon me, mea culpa, please carry on. |
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| Uruzu | Jul 16 2012, 07:51 PM Post #19 |
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Personal opinion. Personally I dont agree with Zimmerman's view of ''it doesn't matter we have no bases as we have carriers'' The only permanently forward deployed one is USS George Washington. And even though it is forward deployed in Western Pacific, it is still quite far away, in Yokosuka, Tokyo Bay. Yes other CBGs routinely pass through the West Phillpine Sea / SCS when they finish their stuff in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean. But my point (below) still stands: --- Unless the US has some magical foresight we have not witnessed before, the CBGs will not respond fast enough, or in numbers effective enough, giving their current basing situation. And lets not talk about the three or four carriers based in San Deigo and Washington State (Not D.C.). The war will be over by the time these get to the West Philippine Sea. And not lets look at USAF assets. The Silver Bullet F-22s. the upgraded F-15s with state of the art AESM radars, B-1s, and the future F-35s (which is having trouble with delays but has impressive sensor and link capabilities, plus the agility of an F-16). Where can they operate from at the moment? The ones in Osan, Busan, Iwakuni, Atsugi and Misawa are irrelevant. They are too far away. So that leaves us: - Anderson AB in Guam - Kadena AB in Okinawa Even from these two bases, it is very unrealistic to support operations in the WPS. From Kadena the planes have to fly along the Chinese coast just to reach WPS. And the great distances involved from the two bases mean lots of tankers needed. LOTS. And they are susceptible to stuff like the J-20. Yes you can send additional assets to escort the tankers, but that will increase the burden of the tanker force considerably. So there comes my second point: --Giving current basing situations, the USAF will not be able to maintain combat patrols/ops (for air dominance) in a mass level , and on an extended period of time, during wartime. The current ''basing 4 weak ass LCS in Singapore'' plan doesn't cut it. A single corvette from the Singaporean or Vietnamese navy will have more antiship or AA power than all these 4 LCS combined. My final point: Given the China's hypocritical behaviours of intimidating opponents with large fleets (whether military, semi-military, civilian, or a combination of those), while accusing her neighbours of hyping up the situation, sooner or later a conflict is gonna erupt. Maybe not with Phillipines, but more likely with countries with a stronger spine (No offense, but its the truth) such as Vietnam. The US needs to establish a military hub within close proximity of the WPS. Big enough to house another forward deployed CBG, and enough to accommodative large amounts of aircraft during wartime. Some people may argue the point of potential ballistic missile attacks. Well then, that's why billions are spent of stuff like the Patriot-3s, Aegis ships' BMD upgrades and THAAD. And one more point. --Closing Clark, Subic. BIG MISTAKE. |
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| Real Macoy | Jul 16 2012, 08:04 PM Post #20 |
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Hahaha! I think the Chinese have forgotten that they are surrounded by US Allied Countries and before they can even launch their planned missile attack on the Americans, Beijing will be very busy fending off rains of fire coming from N,E,S,W. They will be busy catching Tomahawk Missiles launched from US Subs (60) F-22 Raptors hitting on major strategic areas and (80) F-15's, F-16's, F-18's (dog fight intercepting Missions) just for the first wave, obliterating their Air Force and Navy before they can even embarked.
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