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US & China Square Off Over South China Sea
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:32 PM (27,742 Views)
Andres Boning
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Still, Aside from possible future inevitable scenarios to unfold, going back to PH current defense capabilities should be the concern of the Aquino Government right now together with the DND/ AFP, NSC, Senate & Congress, to be ready and prepare for any eventuality, realistically & non realistically -(for those people who are blind to see the dangers that can unfold anytime, overnight.)

Postpone that potangnang BBL na yan, which is basically just chaos, it's also like trying to cover a much bigger issue, (maybe also China's doing w/ Malaysia) that concerns the National Security of the whole Country (Philippines) and the rest of the World. :salute: :patrioticpinoy:
Edited by Andres Boning, Jun 4 2015, 02:04 AM.
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Andres Boning
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The next steps — US vs China (Last of two parts),

By former President Fidel Valdez Ramos
May 30, 2015

Excerpts:

OTHER DOABLE ACTIONS IN PALAWAN/WPS

For the immediate future, the US should intensify some essential doable measures on Palawan and within the West Philippine Sea under the umbrella of our new US-Philippines Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) (as recommended by the expert security Fil-Am team FVR cited in Part I of this series) to wit:

1.Establish and develop a US Marine Corps amphibious operations center at Ulugan Bay with at least 300 specialists.

2.Build the infrastructures for four to six F-35A stealth fighter-bombers on Pagasa, Kalayaan Island Group (KIG), Palawan. For maximum effect, the US should announce this intent immediately, while at the same time maintain regular reconnaissance flights with its Poseidon spy planes.

3.Develop cooperative approaches with the Philippines for the forward positioning of weapons described in the Pentagon’s “Defense Innovation Initiative,” as the new US hedging strategy that deploys smart cheap weapons.

4.Accelerate all American infrastructure work in combination with Philippine authorities under EDCA.

5.Deliver ASAP to the AFP an Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate with missiles (no money down). Already, there is such a ship cleared through Foreign Military Sales – slated for Taiwan. This excellent warship became surplus when Taiwan downsized its order. Redirecting this frigate to the Philippines only needs a decision from top US Defense officials to make it happen.

Read more at http://www.mb.com.ph/the-next-steps-us-vs-china-last-of-two-parts/#gD3XP48QKpYe5hxx.99


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A very interesting insights coming from FVR... :armywink:

Once the US and PH together with other Country Allies accomplished executing their strategies to counter China, the so called.. - "The Two Words That Explain China’s Assertive Naval Strategy" which is...
"Active Defense" favorite tactic of Mao Zedong an article from Foreignpolicy.com.

My own version in two words to explain the outcome of China's Naval Strategy in WPS, which is "WOW MALI!" China's downfall, China's communist party downfall, enter a new Democratic China. :armysmile:
Edited by Andres Boning, Jun 9 2015, 04:02 AM.
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Pinoy Eagle
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@Andres,

I'll tell you Bro, but it won't be that easy, the reasons why China is acting like tough guy, to extent challenging the US, is maybe because of their Mach 10 WMDs dubbed as Aircraft Carrier killer Missiles. Here - http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/df-21d.htm

The USN will just have to locate and identify these weapons, where they are located or deployed, to target them if needed when the time comes.
Edited by Pinoy Eagle, Jun 9 2015, 06:39 PM.
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MSantor
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US Must Challenge China in South China Sea
“Washington should contest China’s claims, both physically and historically.”


Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter’s plea to China and the nations surrounding the South China Sea to end island base building will fall on deaf ears for two reasons. First, it is in their respective interests to create facts on the water to establish sovereignty claims and, second, because no one can stop them. The United States explicitly declares that it takes no position on these activities as they relate to sovereignty claims; Washington simply wants to be free to sail in international waters and fly in international air space.

Unfortunately for Washington and Beijing, these two courses – base-building and freedom of navigation are convergent. Sooner rather than later there will be confrontation. Incidents will follow and perhaps proliferate. The Beijing propaganda machine is already demanding that the United States retreat before its too late, that China is determined to establish a blue water presence in the Western Pacific, which it will inevitably dominate.

The U.S. should accept China’s challenge, the sooner the better. If China truly seeks to dominate the Western Pacific, then the United States should contest Beijing’s claims now while China is quite weak in terms of naval power and while the United States still has the relative advantage. The United States should employ a variant of the “Maritime Strategy” used against the Soviet Union in the eighties against China today. Then, the U.S. Navy sailed into so-called Soviet naval redoubts off Murmansk and the Sea of Okhotsk to deny the Soviet navy sanctuary in any conflict. That is what the U.S. Navy must do today against China. It must be made clear that China’s sea bases offer no advantage at all in time of conflict. Perhaps a gunnery demonstration against an uninhabited and unclaimed atoll would be useful. Perhaps a demonstration of the efficacy of fleet ABM capability should be mounted. The objective would be to make public the weaknesses China seeks to hide by its noisy propaganda.

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Pentagon repeats call for China to end island building, seeks more military contact

By David Brunnstrom

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter met a top Chinese general on Thursday and repeated a U.S. call for a halt to land reclamation in the South China Sea while stressing that the Pentagon remained committed to expanding military contacts with China.

In the meeting with General Fan Changlong, a deputy head of China's powerful Central Military Commission, Carter stressed his commitment to developing "a sustained and substantive U.S.-China military-to-military relationship," the Pentagon said.

It said this would be based on a shared desire to deepen cooperation in areas, including humanitarian assistance, disaster response, peacekeeping, counter-piracy, as well as "constructive management of differences".

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Edited by MSantor, Jun 12 2015, 08:41 AM.
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
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"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton
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The importance of the UNCLOS emphasized again:

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How the US Senate Can Help Stabilize the South China Sea
If the U.S. wants to moderate Chinese adventurism in the South China Sea, it should ratify UNCLOS.


As diligent Diplomat readers may be aware, the situation in the South China Sea is starting to heat up. The United States has started challenging China’s ongoing land reclamation activity in a bid to demonstrate that despite China’s actions, the sovereignty of the disputed reefs and islands, in the Spratlys and elsewhere, remains indeterminate. The United States’ use of aircraft and soon ships, if recent reports are accurate, is designed to support a particular interpretation of international law and how it applies in the South China Sea.* The United States purports to defend the freedom of navigation in a manner consistent with international law. In this context, the fact that the United States has not ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of Sea (UNCLOS) is somewhat problematic.

To be sure, despite having never signed UNCLOS, U.S. policy and treatment of the maritime commons understands the U.N. treaty as a pillar of customary international law. This means that the United States behaves as if UNCLOS is the de facto international standard for maritime security. This is a good thing, but it doesn’t help strengthen the United States’ position on freedom of navigation and the much trickier questions of territorial sovereignty against China’s ongoing attempts to change the facts on the water. The current U.S. administration should make it a priority to see UNCLOS ratified before it leaves office in January 2017.

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While all of us focused on the SCS/WPS, the ECS is relatively quiet, or so it seems...

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China’s Maritime Disputes: Trouble to the South, but the East Stays Quiet
Tensions are rising in the South China Sea — so why is the East China Sea so calm?


The East China and South China Seas have long been cast as twin problem spots in the Asia-Pacific security landscape. Ensnared in complex and baggage-laden histories, both disputes have seemed equally intractable and have also been focus points for Beijing to flex its burgeoning military and coercive-diplomacy muscle. All observers expected tensions to keep rising in both disputes as China continues to build up its capabilities and brandish its hardened diplomatic resolve.

But the last year has seen the disputes evolve in dramatically divergent ways. Tensions have dropped perceptibly, if not significantly, over the East China Sea. Unplanned encounters between boats and aircraft have decreased and China’s Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) has not substantially hampered routine air traffic over the disputed area as many feared when the ADIZ was initially declared. The leaders of China and Japan have even held two terse face-to-face meetings that nonetheless broke a long-time freeze in high-level official interaction between the two sides.

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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

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How reliable is this report?

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4 US F-18 HORNETS CHALLENGED BY CHINESE NAVY IN WEST PHILIPPINE SEA
July 2, 2015 - Tankler News



Four F-18 Super Hornets from Carrier Air Wing Five aboard USS George Washington were challenged by Chinese Navy above the West Philippine Sea.

According to a report sent to former Interior Secretary Rafael Alunan, Lt. Cmdr. Marion "Mitch" Paulson responded that they were over Philippine territorial waters and are conducting routine patrol flights.

PLA Navy threatened to scramble a squadron of fighter jets.

However, China's continued threats were ignored by Mitchell and ordered the Super Hornets to switch on their radar weapons systems and continued on with their mission and sortie.

The report noted: "No PLA Navy or Airforce aircrafts came".

We are still verifying this report from Armed Forces of the Philippines.




If true. It was either:

1) A Chinese bluff.

2) Those Chinese pilots had second thoughts.

3) Chinese leadership didn't know what to do and couldn't get their superiors to ask for orders.

4) They had no capability (at that moment) to send aircraft that far south.








Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 2 2015, 02:46 PM.

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as i read some article some of the those sands and rocks was used to rebuild does islands came from philippines.wag nmn sana sa susunod pati jet fuel let them travel by sea or air.problema manila is invested with PLA soldiers yan ang totoo for me i saw the rapid growth of the mainland kng shabu maker may bitbit sila PLA intelligence p kaya. this war has started its a hybrid war no shots where fired,but most attacks came from cyber.
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Jul 2 2015, 03:17 PM
as i read some article some of the those sands and rocks was used to rebuild does islands came from philippines.wag nmn sana sa susunod pati jet fuel let them travel by sea or air.problema manila is invested with PLA soldiers yan ang totoo for me i saw the rapid growth of the mainland kng shabu maker may bitbit sila PLA intelligence p kaya. this war has started its a hybrid war no shots where fired,but most attacks came from cyber.
:scared: Huh?!?! Are you okay mate? :scared:


Anyway:

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According to Armed Forces of the Philippines Public Affairs Office Chief Lieutenant Colonel Harold Cabunoc the military has not received report on the said incident.

"We have not received any report about this incident," Lieutenant Colonel Harold Cabunoc said.



So this could be just hearsay.










Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 2 2015, 04:11 PM.

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