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US & China Square Off Over South China Sea
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:32 PM (27,722 Views)
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US, China square off over South China Sea

AP | Jul 12, 2012, 10.27AM IST


PHNOM PENH: The Obama administration is hoping China will accept a code of conduct for resolving territorial disputes in the resource-rich South China Sea, a difficult mediation effort that's often been rebuffed by the communist government.

US secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton is meeting on Thursday with China's foreign minister on the sidelines of a Southeast Asian conference.

Governments there are increasingly worried about Beijing's expansive maritime claims, and Chinese tensions with the Philippines and Vietnam have threatened to boil over.


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China Signals Readiness for South China Sea Talks

Posted Thursday, July 12th, 2012 at 6:15 am

U.S. officials say China may be prepared for talks with its neighbors on a code of conduct for resolving territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held in talks in Cambodia Thursday with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, who U.S. officials say cautiously signaled his country's willingness to take part in negotiations. The talks could begin as early as September.

Clinton and Yang met on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) conference.

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http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/201...hina-sea-talks/
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China Signals Readiness for South China Sea Talks

Posted Thursday, July 12th, 2012 at 6:15 am

U.S. officials say China may be prepared for talks with its neighbors on a code of conduct for resolving territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held in talks in Cambodia Thursday with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, who U.S. officials say cautiously signaled his country's willingness to take part in negotiations. The talks could begin as early as September.

Clinton and Yang met on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) conference.

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http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/201...hina-sea-talks/


NEVER trust the communists. They say this and that but do the opposite.
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the Code of Conduct is not enough.

THE GLOBAL WORLD NEEDS TO HELP DECIDE WHO OWNS THE TERRITORIES IN QUESTION.

the code of conduct will just tell all to tone down and wait but the waiting will itself lead to another confrontation sooner than we know.

best is to bring the case to the world court to settle the issue.

a bilateral talk with china is not safe for the Philippines since the arrogant greedy bully will simply press what it likes to achieve. then a stalemate.

the US and the rest of the superpower should lead china and asean to bring the case to UN to finish the case once and for all.

a decision through that effort will surely be a lasting one.


again, the role of the US, the rest of the superpowers are needed to push china to bring the case to a fora where international law and not military might and coercion dominates.
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That's why the philippine government still have to be vigilant and continue their AFP modernization.
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Jul 12 2012, 10:18 PM
That's why the philippine government still have to be vigilant and continue their AFP modernization.

Continue to modernize, expand, and covertly obliterate the Chinese "fisherman's" structures at Mischief Reef and start pointing fingers.


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Even if they Chinese signed anything, they will just ignore and do the same thing like all of their other treaties and agreements.
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Battle for the Pacific: Naval arms race in the China Sea
Published on Saturday July 14, 2012
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/...n-the-china-sea

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By Rick Westhead
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ABOARD THE USS CARL VINSON—U.S. navy Capt. Rick Labranche streaks across the horizon at 1,000 kilometres an hour in his F-18 Hornet strike fighter.

It has been 12 minutes since a catapult slung Labranche’s plane from the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson and Labranche is preparing to drop a pair of 225-kilogram bombs into the Indian Ocean’s two-metre swells.

Labranche checks his radar and scans the blur of blue below. Before he can release his payload on this practice run, he needs to make sure no one is within 16 kilometres.

There’s no telling whose fishing trawlers, research vessels or submarines are plying these waters.

A 21st-century Great Game is unfolding in the Asia Pacific, a region that accounts for more than half the world’s population and many emerging powers. Some, such as China, India, Pakistan and North Korea, are nuclear-armed rivals who have battled before.

As these regional rivals vie for control of trade routes, fishing stocks and rich, untapped oil and gas deposits, they are expanding and modernizing their maritime forces, conducting war games and opening naval bases in what has become the most perilous arms race in the world.

At the same time, the U.S. is trying to reestablish a dominant presence in the region, strengthening ties to some countries, including the Philippines and Australia, and trying to warm relations with others, such as Burma (Myanmar).

With the U.S. pledging to send more troops and ships to the Asia Pacific, regional neighbours want to coax China to be more open at the negotiating table. Ten Southeast Asian nations this week agreed on a code of conduct to prevent disputes over the South China Sea from escalating into open conflict. China has refused to sign the pact.

“The more militarized the region becomes the harder it is to resolve conflicts,” says Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbradt, a China analyst with the International Crisis Group, which works to defuse conflicts.

“You have increasing harassment of fishermen in disputed waters, which becomes a proxy for bigger issues of claimed territory,” she says. “It can easily spiral into a security dilemma, especially when nationalist sentiments in the region are increasing. There’s a real pressure in these countries not to cave in on disputes, and when you’ve been telling people for 50 years that you have a claim, it’s hard to agree to go to an international tribunal and live with its decisions.”

China is the pacesetter. It is said to be spending $106 billion this year alone on its military, up from $14 billion in 2000. It recently began sea trials on its first aircraft carrier, the Shi Lang, and is developing an anti-ship ballistic missile that can penetrate the defences of U.S. aircraft carriers, according to its military.

India — whose first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, once wrote, “to be secure on land we must be supreme at sea” — bought a Russian-built attack submarine, the Chakra, in January. It’s the first nuclear-powered sub India has operated in 20 years.

India’s first locally built aircraft carriers, the Vikramaditya and Vikrant, are scheduled to join the navy in 2013 and 2014.

South Korea last year began construction on a $970-million naval base for 20 warships, including submarines.

Australia, which has signalled it will build a sub fleet after construction is finished on three destroyers, recently agreed to allow the U.S. navy to station 2,500 marines in Darwin, while the Philippines is in talks with the U.S. about expanding an American military presence there.

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^^From the link:

The ship, known as the DDG-1000, will cost as much as $3.3 billion and feature a new type of radar that offers improved scanning in shallow coastlines, a wave-piercing hull that leaves a minimal wake, and an electromagnetic rail gun, which employs a magnetic field and electric current to shoot a projectile at several times the speed of sound.

While the navy originally wanted 32 of the DDG-1000s, its order has been trimmed to three.

But Chinese Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor at China’s National Defence University, said the DDG-1000’s high-tech design wouldn’t protect it from a group of fishing boats packed with explosives
. If enough fishing boats could be mobilized, the DDG-1000 “would be a goner,” Zhaozhong said recently on CCTV, China’s public broadcaster.

History would seem to support Zhaozhong.

During the Falklands War in 1982, Argentina used a single $200,000 air-to-surface missile to sink a $50-million destroyer, HMS Sheffield. And in 1967, an Egyptian vessel used several guided missiles to sink an Israeli destroyer.

Meanwhile, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Thailand, Taiwan, Vietnam and Bangladesh have either acquired submarines or plan to buy them. Japan is increasing its 18-sub fleet to 24.

And China has more than 68 subs, three nuclear-powered, according to The Military Balance in Asia, a May 2011 report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“For most countries, it’s not about a fight, it’s about the ability to dispatch to preserve your quarter,” says Mike Hennessy, a professor of naval history at the Royal Military College of Canada. “It’s about being able to intimidate so your claims go unchallenged.”

Throughout the sprawling Asia Pacific region, there is no shortage of maritim
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“If the U.S. doesn’t have a base in a country, it’s irrelevant,” says Zimmerman. “They can just bring their carriers around and they have a major airbase right there. They’re powerful enough that one carrier group could defeat the entire Iranian air force.”

The power and size of carrier battle group is difficult to overstate. Carriers like the Carl Vinson are home to as many as 85 aircraft, as well as vast stores of ammunition and fuel. A carrier’s protective escorts usually include two guided missile cruisers, two destroyers, a frigate, two submarines and a supply ship.

In 1981, after Libya claimed the Gulf of Sidra was within its territorial waters, threatening to punish anyone who crossed a “line of death,” the aircraft carrier Nimitz was dispatched to the region. Two Libyan fighters were subsequently shot down and Libya backed down
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Twenty years later, with China conducting a series of naval war games, the U.S. sent two carriers, the Constellation and Carl Vinson, to participate in a drill off the coast of Taiwan.

“The fact is, as long as carriers are in a region, they represent pressure,” Zimmerman says. “The message is, ‘We can, if we decide we have to, strike at you and there’s little you can do about it.’"

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