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PAF pilot issues; Service, updates, discussions
Topic Started: Sep 15 2005, 11:33 AM (2,874 Views)
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adroth
Sep 13 2007, 04:18 PM
The PAF would be better off without these types.

Indeed. :nono:

But those who stayed, let's give reciprocated their loyalty with better benefit package.

Di naman din kasi lahat ng pilots nakakaluwag talaga. Tapos darating ang commercial airline recruiters.
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adroth
Sep 13 2007, 04:18 PM
You also have to remember that quite a number of pilots simply join the PAF to get free flight training. It is their plan, from DAY ONE, to leave the PAF as soon as their mandatory service is up.

Not all pilots join the PAF for patriotic reasons. I can refer you to some stories from ANS to this effect. Some of these guys even brag about what they plan to do after their time is up.

The PAF would be better off without these types.



since the officer corps of the PAF now comes from the PMA, they should now be serving a minimum of 16 years before they can get out. 8 years for the education they got in the PMA and another 8 for the flight training they receive.

As for being better off without these types, i'd hold judgement on that. normally the "types" who leave the service are those who are able to withstand the intense scrutiny given to them during the application process. meaning lots of flying hours(experience). you simply do not knock on PAL or CebPac's door without having a personal endorsement. If you have a scratchy service record or poor service reputation(takot lumipad, office bound, mahina ang kamay, always requesting vectors/unable to navigate) you will find it hard for someone to sponsor you. more than likely, your prospective employer/endorser will snoop around. anyone from your flying peers to the ground crew will be asked who you are. Those who now have the option to seek employment elsewhere actually have the most to offer, experience wise, to the air force. you lose them, you lose a huge chunk of the combat capability of the airforce.

im interested to know what the current crop of generals flight logs look like, compare them with their peers flight logs at the time they left the service. my point is that those with the experience and education have already left for greener pastures.

regardless of wether or not the intent to join the air force was less than patriotic, the establishment also has the obligation to make life in the service attractive. i personally know of three pilots who joined the airforce as a stepping stone to the airlines. they ended up staying on for twenty years, why? they loved the flying. they got assigned to basa and they knew this was something the airlines couldnt offer. back then (early and mid 70's), pilots actually had housing in basa, a real camaraderie(monthly get togethers at squadron commanders quarters), plus a few tangible benefits. for now, the only incentive for staying in the air force is the opportunity to earn extra money by pocketing it. the flying is gone, housing is almost non existent, poor medical benefits, corrupt generals and senior officers, highly politicized ranks. what else is there?

If you ask me, the cream of the crop has already left.
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This is just part of the sad reality plaguing young people of this generation.

It is harder and harder to find dedicated youth who are willing to take the sacrifice and serve their country by enlisting in the armed forces. Much less serving and flying in the airforce not because of the airline jobs to follow or the perks once they were Colonel's shoulder boards or General's stars but to defend the country or at least give troops on the ground a helping hand are becoming even rarer.

Most of them prefer to work in Transnational Call Centers which can pay even higher than 2nd Lt's basic + allowances and combat pay. Others would rather be nurses or English tutors, both of which are jobs that pay well and are quick tickets to overseas employment.

Meanwhile, the youth seem to have an anathema for the military which they perceive to be a den of human rights violators headed by an old boys club of corrupt and trigger happy PMAers who still thiks its the Martial law years.
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Sep 14 2007, 02:34 PM
regardless of wether or not the intent to join the air force was less than patriotic, the establishment also has the obligation to make life in the service attractive. i personally know of three pilots who joined the airforce as a stepping stone to the airlines. they ended up staying on for twenty years, why? they loved the flying. they got assigned to basa and they knew this was something the airlines couldnt offer. back then (early and mid 70's), pilots actually had housing in basa, a real camaraderie(monthly get togethers at squadron commanders quarters), plus a few tangible benefits. for now, the only incentive for staying in the air force is the opportunity to earn extra money by pocketing it. the flying is gone, housing is almost non existent, poor medical benefits, corrupt generals and senior officers, highly politicized ranks. what else is there?

If you ask me, the cream of the crop has already left.

That's what the govt must bring back to encourage the pilots to stay longer.


1) BETTER PLANES TO FLY (first and foremost)

2) BETTER HOUSING AND FLIGHT PAY and other benefits

3) RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN ALL THE BASES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...rticle_id=89546

55 new pilots graduate from PAF training in record time

By Tarra Quismundo
Inquirer
Last updated 09:23pm (Mla time) 09/19/2007

LIPA CITY, Philippines -- Three turbo-propellers flew by, in formation, and the audience gave the traditional three hurrahs when new pilots earned their wings here Tuesday, finishing the training course in record time at the Philippine Air Force Flying (PAF) School.

Amid the trend of military pilots moving to commercial airlines for better pay, the PAF bestowed the aviator's badge to 55 new pilots who will then move on to flight wings to further train in flying utility and attack helicopters and combat and transport turbo-props.

One graduate, 1st Lieutenant Gerard Escalante, was however absent from Tuesday's rites as he had already left for the United States to take part in the US Air Force Aviation Leadership Program.

Class 2007 finished the basic pilot training course within the standard year, becoming the first batch to pull off such a feat in a long time, PAF officials said. Previous batches completed the course in one-and-a-half years, said the PAF Flying School commandant, Colonel Restituto Padilla Jr.

“There were a number of obstacles that blocked our path: the lack of trainer aircraft, the occasional unbearable weather conditions, the delays in addressing logistical requirements due to the tedious bidding process just to name a few,” said PAF chief Lieutenant General Horacio Tolentino, addressing the graduates during rites at the Fernando Air Base.

“But through the concerted effort of the men and women of the AETC [Air Education and Training Command], these obstacles were successfully hurdled, such that our new pilots are graduating exactly a year after,” he said.

The pilot class of 2007, composed of graduates of the Philippine Military Academy, the Officer Candidate School and two reservists, will serve as tactical pilots to boost the roster of military aviators providing air support to combat troops, the PAF said.

From the class, 16 will be assigned to the Cavite-based 15th Strike Wing to train in flying MG-520 attack helicopters and OV-10 bombers, aircraft currently utilized for air support in military operations in Mindanao. Two pilots will train in flying the S-211 fixed wings under the Air Defense Command.

A group of 15 will further train to fly the military's workhorse, the UH-1H helicopter, under the Cebu-based 205th Tactical Helicopter Wing. The 220th Airlift Wing will get eight neophyte pilots and teach them how to fly light-lift utility planes such as the N22-C Nomad, and later train them in the larger C-130 cargo planes.

Padilla said 16 would remain at the AETC to serve as instructor pilots. PAF has also been losing instructor-grade pilots to commercial airlines, officials said in earlier interviews.

Speaking to the graduates, Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. imparted a value that mattered as much as, if not more than, a pilot's technical skills to succeed in a career in aviation.

“We all know the qualities of a good pilot: hand-eye coordination, situational awareness and all that technical knowledge. However, there is one thing that I would like you to remember at all times. Good pilots always have the value of humility. Always [do] not be afraid, not be ashamed to say to the future ma'am or sir, I don't understand, or I do not know,” said Teodoro, an Air Force reservist and licensed commercial pilot.

Saying even the most talented pilots could fail without this quality, Teodoro added: “Your wings are merely a passport to the start of an aviation career, and that, starting from today, must be buttressed by constant striving for excellence and for education. And that can only be done if you're humble enough to accept that there is a lot to learn in this world.”

The Air Force vowed to keep up speedy training, encouraged by the expected arrival of new trainer aircraft in 2008. Padilla said 18 SF-260 trainers and T-41Ds were due to arrive at the flight training base by 2008.

“They will be able to meet the standard one year Military Pilot Training (MPT). If MPT Class 2007 can do it with six T-41D and four SF-260 aircraft, the more that the present class can do it with forthcoming arrival of additional new trainer aircraft,” said Tolentino.
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New pilots, I wish and long to read news of New planes and choppers received by the PAF. :headbang:
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they should stop recruting and makeing new piltos
it is a sueless and waste of resource of the PH
without ac what will you do with this pilots

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Chowking, many veteran PAF pilots are now shifting to commercial airlines. This new graduates are just filling the gap. Sooner we may lose more PAF pilots to commercial airliners.

We don't want to get to the point that no one will be able to pilot the few aircrafts that we have.
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the PAF Flying School is just your "cheaper" version of the commercial aviation school that produces pilots for commercial airlines. besides, these new pilots know for a fact that pursuing a career in a budget-less, aircraft-less PAF is just the same as shooting themselves in the head. :armyeek:
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Just saving for a rainy day. When do you expect the PAF to get planes? Soon?
When those arrive, who would pilot them when most have transferred to commercial airlines? Retirables?
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