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| saver111 | Oct 27 2006, 09:22 PM Post #31 |
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42 pilot of PAF suspects in'moonlighting'
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=54428 |
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Justice for Daniel Lorenz Jacinto HELP END PIRACY NOW!: http://www.itfseafarers.org/petition.cfm | |
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| flipzi | Oct 28 2006, 02:50 PM Post #32 |
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It is dissapointing that the lack of planes to fly in the Air Force compelled these pilots to get out of the "service" prematurely. They may have their own reasons but if you will dig into it deeply, the government have the right and "reason" to punish them. THESE PILOTS ALSO KNOW WELL THAT OUR AIR FORCE IS NOT AS RICH AS THE U.S. AIR FORCE. They should have considered that fact right before they entered the flying school. The government gave them the opportunity to earn their wings, which they can also use after retiring from the military service. Prematurely retiring is relinquishing their RESPONSIBILITY to the Air Force, which gave them the opportunity to learn how to fly planes for FREE. The government gave them the privelege to learn how to fly for free in exchange for their service. So, the pilots must HONOR that pledge of serving the people in order to pay back what the people, the taxpayers who paid for their schooling, have invested in them. This may sound harsh but so is turning your back to the people, the taxpayers and the government, who helped you earn your wings. Just think about what you owe to the people and the government who gave you the opportunity to learn how to fly for FREE. Another thing is that, a number of such case happening at the same time or almost will definitely bring forth demoralization not just in the Air Force but in the entire AFP. Ground troops rely on their service for medivac and close air support. Knowing that experienced pilots are dwindling at this rate will add to the worries of the ground troops. The pilots can live a more lavish life once they retire after 8 years of service anyway. A lot of commercial plane companies are waiting for them, here and abroad. So, it's not bad at all for them. To make it clear, IT IS THE INCONTESTABLE RIGHT OF THE PHILIPPINE AIR FORCE TO HAVE THESE "GOVT-FUNDED" PILOTS SERVE THE AIR FORCE FOR THE LEGALLY DESIGNATED DURATION. The Air Force must do something to thwart more cases of moonlighting or AWOL. Penalize them if you have to. The PAF may encourage these pilots to finish their 8 years of service and just apply for early retirement. The new applicants must now CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THEY WONT BE FLYING STEALTH FIGHTERS AND EARN 3,000 DOLLARS A MONTH. If they can't accept that fact,,........... THEN DONT ENTER FLYING SCHOOL ANYMORE ... .. and just give the opportunity to the others who are willing to serve the Air Force and who can wait until their programmed retirement. |
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| saver111 | Nov 8 2006, 07:20 PM Post #33 |
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Over 1,000 PAF pilots quit for higher-paying jobs--exec
http://globalnation.inq7.net/news/news/vie...rticle_id=31341 |
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Justice for Daniel Lorenz Jacinto HELP END PIRACY NOW!: http://www.itfseafarers.org/petition.cfm | |
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| flipzi | Nov 10 2006, 05:07 PM Post #34 |
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‘No shortage of pilots despite exodus’ -- Air Force By Joel Guinto INQ7.net Last updated 04:13pm (Mla time) 11/10/2006 EVEN as the exodus of Philippine Air Force (PAF) pilots to commercial airlines hit an all-time high this year, the military maintained it is not lacking for fighter pilots. While 54 fighter pilots have resigned this year, they are set to be replaced by at least 98 fresh graduates from PAF flying schools, said Air Force spokesman Major Augusto dela Peña. Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Bartolome Bacarro, for his part, said: "There will be no shortage of pilots in the Philippine Air Force." Dela Peña said the wave of resignations "is no cause for alarm" since the number is "way below" the PAF's projected annual attrition rate of 10 percent. The PAF currently has 1,085 fighter pilots in its 16,000-strong force. Bacarro conceded that the relatively higher pay commercial airlines offer, which can reach as high as P100,000 monthly, compared to the PAF’s P30,000, is the main reason pilots resign from the service. "Local airlines are expanding…They need to hire pilots for their domestic flights. Compensation has been attractive too," Bacarro said. But "even with the acute lack of planes in the PAF, pilots have remained proud of being in the service," he said. The PAF has some 130 aircraft in its inventory, mostly UH-1H or Huey helicopters, of which some 70 percent are operational. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...rticle_id=31786 |
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| israeli | Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM Post #35 |
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as long as the economic standing of our soldiers and most Filipinos do not improve, expect more PAF pilots and so many Filipinos, most especially the well-educated middle class, to seek greener pastures elsewhere. ![]() another reason for the exodus of PAF pilots to better jobs in the airline industry: PAF's lost pride. PAF officers told ABS-CBN in one past report that it was just fine with them if they do not have relatively higher wages provided they have "something" (meaning decent multi-role fighter aircraft and other warplanes) to fly.
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| flipzi | Nov 11 2006, 01:55 PM Post #36 |
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Thats's very true.Most military pilots have joined the Air Force to fulfill a dream and that is to fly aircrafts and serve the country. Money is just second to "what they love to do". But how can they sustain the PRIDE and ENTHUSIASM when they have nothing to fly anymore? Worse, flying makes them worry about not returning alive from even the safest sortie instead of enjoying the flight. THIS IS WHY THE MODERNIZATION PROGRAM MUST BE EXPEDITED TO UPLIFT THE MORALE AND ENTHUSIASM OF THE PILOTS, AS WELL AS OUR SAILORS AND THE INFANTRY. |
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| israeli | May 1 2007, 03:53 PM Post #37 |
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i just want to start the PDFF version of the same thread that i have started in the PDF so here it goes... ![]() reading the thread on the recent crash of a PAF UH-1H helicopter and all the technicals posted in the Cebu UH-1H thread on the PDF by Sirs PAFUnixGeek and Manokski prompted me to start this thread. we all know how the Air Force conducts training for pilots for its fleet of fixed-wing aircraft such as the OV-10 Bronco and the C-130 Hercules. we also know that the PAF maintains several fixed-wing aircraft types that are being used for pilot training, namely the Cessna T-41, the SIAI-Marchetti/Aermacchi SF-260 and the Aermacchi S-211. now, i am curious though as to how the PAF conducts screening and training of helicopter pilots. does the PAF have purposely-built helicopter trainers such as the Eurocopter Colibri, Schweizer 300, Robinson R22 and Bell 206 Jetranger or is training being done directly on front-line rotary-wing aircraft such as the MD520MG Defender and UH-1H Huey? also, is the PAF also responsible for the training of pilots for the PN, PCG and PNP? |
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| flipzi | Jun 15 2007, 03:27 PM Post #38 |
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How Cebu Pacific, PAL cut loss of pilots By Daxim Lucas Inquirer Last updated 04:24am (Mla time) 06/15/2007 MANILA, Philippines -- The pilot corps of Cebu Pacific Air was not spared when foreign airlines decimated the ranks of Filipino commercial pilots by offering them triple their salaries. Unlike Philippine Airlines, which has its own flying school and the financial muscle to pirate pilots from smaller operators, Cebu Pacific’s razor-thin margins as a low-cost carrier did not afford it the same solution. What it did to solve the problem of pilot supply was nothing short of novel. Training its own “We decided that we needed to invest in training new pilots from scratch,” said Cebu Pacific vice president for flight operations, Captain Victor Custodio. “We needed a program that could supply us with pilots fast, without sacrificing quality.” This called for an investment in a flight simulator that could help students with absolutely no flying experience to train in operating the Airbus A320 -- while keeping Cebu Pacific’s whole fleet active. The airline paid $15 million for the flight simulator, a computerized mockup of an aircraft cockpit, and teamed up with expatriate pilots of Clark Aviation in Pampanga province for a training program that could create newly minted A320 co-pilots in only a year. “What we have is a program that cuts through all the things that we don’t need from traditional pilot training,” Custodio said. “Before, it took a pilot almost five years to accumulate 1,500 [flying] hours,” he said. “With our multi-crew pilot license [program] he can accumulate this inside the simulator.” He added that the experience inside the flight simulator was 99-percent faithful to actual flying experience. Coupled with an improved benefits program for its crew, the investment in flight simulator training allows Cebu Pacific to have a steady stream of pilots for its fleet, regardless of the high piracy rates by foreign airlines. It also allows the airline to offer cheaper airfare to the flying public. Without the training program, Cebu Pacific would have to poach pilots from other airlines at inflated wages that would eventually be passed on to the consumers. Cebu Pacific’s tack is not unique. Philippine Airlines (PAL) has used the same tack, but through the traditional way. “We are aware of the growing demand for pilots so we increased our training rate,” PAL president Jaime J. Bautista said. the company’s emphasis is on increasing the cadet pilots at its school, Bautista said. “We are now training 40 to 50 pilots a year to make up for the 40 that we have recently lost,” he said. PAL also doubled its fleet of aircraft for basic training to accommodate the additional cadets. The airline had complained about the high turnover rate of its pilots, which forced it to hike salaries last year to $7,000 a month from $4,000. Foreign airlines could easily get pilots with packages that start at $10,000 a month. For both PAL and Cebu Pacific, the solution seems to have worked. Bautista said the exodus of pilots had subsided to a “manageable level.” He said PAL expected to lose only 10 pilots this year -- all to retirement -- as compared with 22 in 2004, 28 in 2005 and 15 in early 2006, which made a big dent on its headcount of 450 pilots. There are only about 700 registered pilots in the country. Better work environment Cebu Pacific’s Custodio said a similar increase in his airline’s non-wage benefits succeeded in reducing the attrition rate among its corps of 180 strong pilots. He said the investment in a flight simulator -- the only one of its kind in the Philippines -- marked a significant outlay for the budget carrier. But he said the approach was necessary for Cebu Pacific to maintain a level of safety and to offer cheap airfare in an increasingly cutthroat industry. With INQUIRER.net http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstor...rticle_id=71413 Good thing is .......... MORE AND MORE PILOTS ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO FLY COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS. :thumb: Good for all! |
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| flipzi | Sep 13 2007, 01:21 PM Post #39 |
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Fellows, They say that this is getting alarming already. Our pilots are indeed being lured by the commercial airline operators. The package is very tempting. Some say they are being offered US6,000 dollars a month. How can our pilots resist that? It is a fact that at such an environment, it will be impossible to hold them back no matter what we offer them. I believe the only way we can at least is to slow down the exodus so the new Air Force pilots wh have freshly graduated from flying school can have enough time to effectively prepare to take over the tasks of the outgoing senior pilots. This is only possible by first compelling or encouraging senior pilots or those who are qualified for early retirement to stay some years longer. Or really require them to stay longer. We can implement these; 1) Change the early retirement length from 8 to 15 years There should be sort of a "bond" that pilots must consider. Those who will get out of service before their retirement shall pay a bond. Or it is also possible to take the number of years the pilot is yet to finish. For example, if he retires 4 years before his early retirement year he must pay a bond worth P200,000 (4 years x 50,000 pesos). Most Air Force recruits nowadays are using the PAF Flying School as a ticket for free education for entering the commercial airlines. Though we cannot blame them for their plans, this is somewhat unfair to the taxpayers who paid for their schooling in expectation for their service to the secure our country. It is also unfair to the private schools like PATS and AirLink. So, it is reasonable that we increase their length of stay before they bow out of service. 15 years is reasonable enough. 2) Improvement of their benefits - flight pay should be increased - aside from flight pay, pilots in the combat zone should get their combat pay - free on-base housing - subsidy on water and electricity 3) Creation of Air Force loan fund The Air Force can use this for getting loans as high as 300 thousand up to 1 million, depending on their current pay grade and contribution, that they can use to finance their housing, car or business projects. 4) Give them better planes and choppers to fly Some pilots only entered the Air Force to get a free pilot education. But there are pilots who entered the Air Force to serve the country. Sadly, financial difficulties also forced these pilots to venture out too soon. Some, after realizing the danger due to the many plane accidents have been discouraged to stay. If we can erase that fear in them, then somehow many will opt to stay longer. Better and modern aircrafts mean SAFER aside fron being an enjoyable and fulfilling flights. Give the better aircrafts now, so more of them will stay. Commercial Airlines like Cebu Pacific requires 300 pilots to keep its planes flying all the time. AND THIS NUMBER IS NOT YET FULLY OCCUPIED. What about PAL's requirement? What about the foreign airliners who offer an average of 6 thousand dollars a month? The govt must act fast before we wake one one day realizing that there are no more choppers carrying our wounded soldiers to the hospitals .. not because we have no choppers.. BUT BECAUSE WE JUST RAN OUT OF PILOTS. In fact, today even the 205th Helicopter Wing itself is lacking pilots. The other groups are also feeling the effect of the exodus. The govt must do act soon enough before it gets even worse. |
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| adroth | Sep 13 2007, 04:18 PM Post #40 |
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You also have to remember that quite a number of pilots simply join the PAF to get free flight training. It is their plan, from DAY ONE, to leave the PAF as soon as their mandatory service is up. Not all pilots join the PAF for patriotic reasons. I can refer you to some stories from ANS to this effect. Some of these guys even brag about what they plan to do after their time is up. The PAF would be better off without these types. |
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