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PAF pilot issues; Service, updates, discussions
Topic Started: Sep 15 2005, 11:33 AM (2,867 Views)
MSantor
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If one has a private pilot's license or an instrument rating from a US flight school, are they qualified to become PAF pilots?

If not, are they qualified to still go to PAFOCS or PAFFS?

Check out Bell Helicopter's Huey Training course

http://www.bellhelicopter.com/en/training/...folder=header_8

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Some civilians pilots are members of the Air Force Reserve (Reserve Airlift and Tactical Support Group (RATSG) and PCG Auxilliary (Air Operation Wings).
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Nope. To be rated as a military pilot in the PAF, one has to be a graduate of the PAF Flying School or the USAF. There are, however, provisions for other than military pilot ratings such as service pilots. Very rare birds. I only know of one civilian pilot called to active duty, assigned with the Weather birds.

You get awarded lousy pilot wings that look like this:
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Instead of highly coveted one like this:
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When you mean the USAF, do you specifically mean the US Air Force Academy and UGPT (undergraduate pilot training) for non-academy OTS grads - or does the PAF accept pilots who've gotten licenses/training from Civil Air Patrol (Air Force Auxiliary) ?

BTW, what if someone took that Huey pilot course shown above? Could they still become a Huey Pilot?

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First you have to be a commissioned officer in the Philippine Air Force. You should be a graduate of the PAF Flying School UPT or USAF UPT/JSUPT, meaning the Philippines sent you there for flying training although that has not happened in many years.

Graduates of the US Air Force Academy are not yet pilots. They would still have to undergo UPT.

Civil Air Patrol. Negative.
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RP losing pilots to foreign airlines
By Rainier Allan Ronda
The Philippine Star 02/06/2006

Pilots of the Philippine Air Force and the country’s three major airlines are joining the exodus of skilled Filipino workers leaving for high-paying jobs abroad.

Many of the pilots are seeking jobs with foreign commercial airlines.

News reports from an international cable news network said India, the second most populous country in the world, is in need of as many as 4,000 pilots to fly the planes of several airlines operating there.

Industry sources said flag carriers Philippine Airlines, Cebu Pacific and Air Philippines are feeling the pinch of the mass hiring by foreign air carriers.

Last month, Indian job recruiters arrived in the country and promptly started interviewing possible recruits in a hotel in Makati.

A pilot working with a Philippine air carrier told The STAR that the Indian headhunters were offering very attractive compensation packages of as much as $6,000 for flight officers and $8,000 for experienced pilots of Boeing 737s.

Sources inside PAL told The STAR that the arrival of the Indian recruiters had reportedly panicked PAL management which is asking the Philippine National Police (PNP) to arrest and immediately deport those conducting recruitment activities without the coordination and authorization of the Philippine Overseas Employment Authority.

However, it was learned that the assault by foreign commercial airlines on the country’s pool of skilled pilots does not end with the departure of the Indians.

A source said recruiters for South Korean airline, Asiana, arrived recently to entice pilots to leave their jobs with local airlines.

The South Korean job recruiters are offering salaries higher than those dangled by the Indian counterparts with some experienced pilots being offered as much as $12,000 a month, the source added.

The source said that, effective last Feb. 1, PAL gave a 10-percent salary increase to their pilots as an incentive to stay.

The increase came despite safeguards built into PAL’s five-year employment contracts with their pilots to prevent piracy.

"While it is not much, its still an improvement," a PAL pilot said.

PAL pilots here reportedly earn a salary equivalent to around $3,000 a month.

While relatively high, the source said that many pilots see their pay as meager considering the steep price they had to pay to go through flying school.

Nowadays, one has to shell out as much as P2 million to complete a demanding two-year pilot training with a reputable flying school, the source added.

http://philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200602060405.htm

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I dont know if we can call this a blessing or what.

Foreign airline companies are showing confidence in our pilots. They are even offering them a very enticing salary.

Problem is, what happens when PAF will lose its best pilots to these foreign airline companies?

I believe we can't stop them from getting better jobs. They've got families and dreams too.

SIGURO, MAG TRAIN NA LANG TAYO NA MAS MARAMI PANG PILOT AND THEN HABAAN ANG REQUIRED STAY SA PAF.

Ang susuway ay kasuhan.

Dont get me wrong here pero that is fair naman kasi pinag-aral naman sila ng gobyerno para magsilbe eh.
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The PAF, I'm sure, imposes a contract of service on it's pilots so they serve a given number of years to repay the government investment in their training. I'm sure Filipino airlines require such agreements each time they send staff to learn new equipment. It's only logical for the organization to benefit from their investments. If the employee leaves before the agreed time, that employee has to recompense his employer for said training.

Once the contractual obligations are up, then the employee is free to seek work elsewhere.

I read somewhere that the number one reason people leave their jobs for others isn't money but the prospect of a clear upward career path. I guess Filipino airline companies will have to be creative about the compensation packages they give.

That's why it's also important for the PAF to get modern aircraft for it's inventory. After all, military pilots get to do things that civilian pilots don't do - like fly faster, higher and farther - and that has been the traditional draw of the Air Force.

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Sigh!!! I should have pushed thru with my application at PAL Flight School. When it was still under gov't control, they give 2 years scholarship for flight school.
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The PAF, I'm sure, imposes a contract of service on it's pilots so they serve a given number of years to repay the government investment in their training.  I'm sure Filipino airlines require such agreements each time they send staff to learn new equipment.  It's only logical for the organization to benefit from their investments.  If the employee leaves before the agreed time, that employee has to recompense his employer for said training.

Once the contractual obligations are up, then the employee is free to seek work elsewhere.

A friend of mine from the PAF told me that pilots must stay for at least 8 years before they can leave the service. May added years pag may special schooling. May penalties din pero di ko alam kung strict sila.

I suggest we give our pilots the chance to seek better jobs AT THIS TIME... because the PAF DONT HAVE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM ANYWAY.

NO PLANES TO FLY.

NO CAREER PATH TO CONSIDER AS WELL.


Sayang din kasi kung may offer sa labas kasi para din sa family nila yun.
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I read somewhere that the number one reason people leave their jobs for others isn't money but the prospect of a clear upward career path.  I guess Filipino airline companies will have to be creative about the compensation packages they give.

Kaya di mo din masisi ang mga PAF at local airline pilots.. AT THIS TIME.
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That's why it's also important for the PAF to get modern aircraft for it's inventory.  After all, military pilots get to do things that civilian pilots don't do - like fly faster, higher and farther - and that has been the traditional draw of the Air Force. 

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Malaking bagay sa piloto ang maramdaman nila na masaya sila sa ginagawa nila maski di gaanung maganda sweldo.

If they can fly better planes and choppers, i believe a lot of them will prefer to stay.

Papaanu ka naman masasayahang magtagal pa sa PAF kung alam mo na puro bulok naman paliliparin mo, kung meron man, at baka maging dahilan pa ng maagang kamatayan mo. Samantalanag sa commercial ay napakalaki ng pagkakataon para kumita ng pera at mamuhay ng maganda. Diba? Plain and simple.

Another strategy is to give them opportunities in removing the burden of investing in much needed properties. Siguro housing loans and car loans and educational loans expecially crafted for PAF pilots will be an enticing strategy.

Malaki na kasi demand sa piloto sa labas kaya we need to draft a much better remuneration package partnered with a better career path for these guys.
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Ban to arrest depletion of RP pilots sought

Leaders of the aviation sector yesterday batted for the imposition of a three to five-year moratorium on the overseas recruitment of mission critical skills to arrest the ongoing "brain drain’’ that has threatened the viability of the industry.

This developed following a public hearing on the issue conducted last Tuesday by the Committee on Labor and Employment of the House of Representatives chaired by Rep. Roseller Barinaga (NPC, Zamboanga del Norte).

The major players in the local aviation industry were in full force during the hearing to dramatize before lawmakers the urgency of adopting measures aimed at counteracting the continued depletion of pilots, aircraft engineers, and aviation mechanics.

They complained that manpower for mission critical skills in the country is fast becoming scarce as a result of vigorous poaching operations of international airline companies in connivance with local employment agencies.

Barinaga initiated the congressional inquiry into the issue as he acknowledged a looming manpower crisis in the aviation industry. He also scored the Air Transportation Office’s seeming indifference to the problem.

In attendance during the hearing as resource persons were Jaime Bautista, Philippine Airlines; Andy Maningo, Aviation Partnership; Lorenzo Ziga, Lufthansa Teknik; Antonio Rodriguez, Cebu Pacific’ Cesar Lamberte, PAL; Ed Medina, Air Philippines; Nikolai Scmolcke, Lufthansa-Teknik; and Andreas Hezzner, Lufthansa-Teknik.

The group appealed for immediate government action to the rapid brain drain in the aviation sector, saying that a three to five-year moratorium on overseas placement of skilled and highly trained workers appear to be the most effective solution to the industry’s dilemma.

"All of us are suffering from deep bleeding (in manpower). We are losing (pilots and mechanics) faster than we can produce. Even trainers and instructors are now being pirated,’’ said Medina. (Ben Rosario)

Medina disclosed that among those being pirated by international airline companies are the cream of the crop in the local aviation industry who have undergone extensive safety and skill proficiency trainings financed and conducted by Philippine-based airline firms.

Rodriguez revealed that poachers have resorted to buying up employment contracts that usually tie pilots, mechanics, and aviation engineers to local airline firms.

Airline firms in European countries, India, Middle East, and the United States have been identified as among the poachers of skilled Filipino manpower.

India alone reportedly offers as much as ,000 monthly pay for pilots. The salary is exclusive of other amenities offered such as free board and lodging for the recruit’s family and even scholarships in international schools for their children.

Filipino aviation personnel are acknowledged worldwide as among the most competent and the best trained in the industry.

Local firms are responsible for financing their training and in providing the experience needed only to lose them to their international competitors. (Ben R. Rosario)

http://www.mb.com.ph/MTNN2006030257581.html
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