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BRP Sierra Madre/Ayungin Shoal; News | Discussions | Updates
Topic Started: May 19 2013, 02:22 AM (17,002 Views)
Andres Boning
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@Para,

Yes, SEATO then failed, but it doesn't mean it's also going to fail today..

Back then it was made to foil the spread of communism, but today's purpose will be totally different, it would adapt the same goals and principles like of NATO, to contribute to the security of the Asia Pacific area.

It will be much more powerful and effective than before since a lot of Countries have grown strong Military ..
Countries like South Korea, Japan, Australia, India, Singapore and many more, especially if Japan, Australia, India, South Korea together w/ US will tàke the lead.
If NATO is meant for Russia, a similar one for the Asia Pacific will be against China's territory grabbing escapades.or the 9 dash line.

The Philippines will need to seriously power up Militarily if this happens....
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fernandez705
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Andres Boning
Mar 13 2014, 03:25 PM
Paano mga bayad na siguro iyan, like under their pockets. NR coming from the Senate and Congress means admission and they'd rather talk about other things just to smell nice for 2016 or showbiz problems rather our Country's territorial threats, the lives of our PM soldiers are under threat in Ayungin Shoal, now what's next PAG-ASA Island???

I suggest it's time for our AFP and the Govt. to spend big time ASAP on Anti ship missiles, anti air missiles that can be readily deployed on all PN ships, shore batteries that can be fired from Palawan, Pag-Asa and to include Ilocos Norte and Batanes Island for anti access denial.
"Now if they don't at this point and time, it means that this point and time is really tailored for our enemies since from the start.."
"its time" you think! :headbang: apologies for what i said but that statement should be changed.
Technically we should have done it way before the frigate lift programs. In fact it should be priority 1 along with radars for f*** sake.

Zone defense should have been top priority. We should have known this because our country play basketball for f*** sake. Flying a crappy wana be mrf and manning a whimpy frigate takes more time to train people and skill. Whereas zone defense all you have to do is look at a screen press a bunch of buttons and drive around the country waiting for order to push the red button. Plus we can get more ordinance that are meant to kill compared to less gear that are meant to deliver the payload while being cost effective.

if our brilliant officials wasnt so brilliant then we would have already had area denial ability and china may not have bullied Us as much as now.
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Andres Boning
Mar 14 2014, 02:43 AM
@Para,

Yes, SEATO then failed, but it doesn't mean it's also going to fail today..

Back then it was made to foil the spread of communism, but today's purpose will be totally different, it would adapt the same goals and principles like of NATO, to contribute to the security of the Asia Pacific area.

It will be much more powerful and effective than before since a lot of Countries have grown strong Military ..
Countries like South Korea, Japan, Australia, India, Singapore and many more, especially if Japan, Australia, India, South Korea together w/ US will tàke the lead.
If NATO is meant for Russia, a similar one for the Asia Pacific will be against China's territory grabbing escapades.or the 9 dash line.

The Philippines will need to seriously power up Militarily if this happens....
What I am trying to imply is that SEATO failed since most of the members do not agree with the group or is on the other side of the political spectrum that SEATO required, just like today, where countries like Myanmar, Brunei and Cambodia are firmly in the Chinese camp, making our current ASEAN useless in terms of military cooperation. Unless we manage to create a NATO-esque group with three strongest powers in the region of play (Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia), then all bets are off against military intervention.

@fernandez705

Not that it's worth much; China has subs, which unfortunately cannot be targeted by AShMs, and can destroy land-based AShMs with impunity.

AShMs have severely short range, requiring them to be placed near the battle zone and exposing them to surprise preemptive strikes. The only missiles that could reach the Kalayaan group of islands from the nearest point in mainland Luzon would be cruise missiles like the Tomahawks, or maybe the AGM-86 ALCM, which however, needs to be launched from an air unit.

Not saying acquiring them is bad, I'm just saying it isn't a silver bullet idea like what you are implying.

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PHL will not withdraw ship from Ayungin Shoal - DFA
By: Philippines News Agency
March 14, 2014 3:43 PM


MANILA - The Philippines will not withdraw from Ayungin Shoal in the disputed West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) amid Beijing’s allegation that it agreed to remove a grounded Philippine naval ship that has served as Manila’s military detachment in the area since 1999, the Department of Foreign Affairs said on Friday.

Manila maintained the shoal, also known by its international name - Second Thomas Reef - is part of the country’s continental shelf “over which the Philippines has sovereign rights and jurisdiction.”

China's Foreign Ministry claimed the Philippine government had made a commitment to withdraw the vessel from the Ayungin, which Beijing claims as part of its territory.



http://www.interaksyon.com/article/82707/phl-will-not-withdraw-ship-from-ayungin-shoal---dfa
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Manila to challenge China blockade in South China Sea
By: Manuel Mogato and Michael Martina, Reuters
March 14, 2014 12:11 AM


MANILA/BEIJING - The Philippines is planning another challenge of a Chinese naval blockade of a disputed shoal in the South China Sea by sending civilian ships with supplies to its troops stationed there, a senior military official said on Thursday.

Chinese coastguard ships patrolling waters around Second Thomas Shoal, known in China as the Ren'ai reef and in the Philippines as Ayungin, ordered the same vessels to leave the area on Sunday.

Beijing claims Manila is trying to start construction on the disputed reef after it ran aground an old transport ship in 1999 to mark its territory and stationed marines on the ship. Manila claims the shoal is part of the Philippine's continental shelf.

"We are on a humanitarian mission," said a marine colonel, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media. "We are sending back the civilian ships to bring food and fresh water because they are running out of supplies. Fresh water supply is critically low."



http://www.interaksyon.com/article/82667/manila-to-challenge-china-blockade-in-south-china-sea
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MSantor
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Gammy, if you did do a search, you would see that the above article has already been posted earlier in the other thread about the Philippines' dispute with China over the WPS:

Anyways, here's another update for this thread:

Interaksyon

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PHL will not withdraw ship from Ayungin Shoal - DFA

By: Philippines News Agency
March 14, 2014 3:43 PM

MANILA - The Philippines will not withdraw from Ayungin Shoal in the disputed West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) amid Beijing’s allegation that it agreed to remove a grounded Philippine naval ship that has served as Manila’s military detachment in the area since 1999, the Department of Foreign Affairs said on Friday.

Manila maintained the shoal, also known by its international name - Second Thomas Reef - is part of the country’s continental shelf “over which the Philippines has sovereign rights and jurisdiction.”


China's Foreign Ministry claimed the Philippine government had made a commitment to withdraw the vessel from the Ayungin, which Beijing claims as part of its territory.

The exchange of diplomatic barbs is the latest manifestation of the two nations' long-standing territorial feud, reignited in recent years by tense confrontations between Chinese and Philippine vessels in two disputed shoals – Scarborough and Ayungin – off Manila’s western coasts.

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sir your article is already posted too...see above po...
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fernandez705
Mar 14 2014, 12:35 AM
Andres Boning
Mar 13 2014, 03:25 PM
Paano mga bayad na siguro iyan, like under their pockets. NR coming from the Senate and Congress means admission and they'd rather talk about other things just to smell nice for 2016 or showbiz problems rather our Country's territorial threats, the lives of our PM soldiers are under threat in Ayungin Shoal, now what's next PAG-ASA Island???

I suggest it's time for our AFP and the Govt. to spend big time ASAP on Anti ship missiles, anti air missiles that can be readily deployed on all PN ships, shore batteries that can be fired from Palawan, Pag-Asa and to include Ilocos Norte and Batanes Island for anti access denial.
"Now if they don't at this point and time, it means that this point and time is really tailored for our enemies since from the start.."
"its time" you think! :headbang: apologies for what i said but that statement should be changed.
Technically we should have done it way before the frigate lift programs. In fact it should be priority 1 along with radars for f*** sake.

Zone defense should have been top priority. We should have known this because our country plays basketball for f*** sake. Flying a crappy wana be mrf and manning a whimpy frigate takes more time to train people and skill. Whereas zone defense all you have to do is look at a screen press a bunch of buttons and drive around the country waiting for order to push the red button. Plus we can get more ordinance that are meant to kill compared to less gear that are meant to deliver the payload while being cost effective.

if our dum officials wasnt so dum then we would have already posses area denial ability and china may not have bullied us as much as we are being bullied now.
@fernandez your correct Approve :salute:
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China warns Philippines on disputed shoal

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Posted at 03/17/2014 7:43 PM | Updated as of 03/17/2014 7:43 PM
BEIJING - China warned the Philippines on Monday to abandon a disputed shoal in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) after Manila said it planned to challenge a Chinese naval blockade of the area by sending supplies to its troops stationed there.

Last week, a senior Philippines military official said his country would send civilian supply ships to its soldiers deployed on a vessel that ran aground on the disputed Second Thomas Shoal in 1999.

The shoal is known in China as the Ren'ai reef and in the Philippines as Ayungin.

"The Chinese government's attitude on maintaining the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity is unwavering. We will never tolerate the Philippines illegal occupation of Ren'ai reef," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a daily news briefing.

"China is on high alert for the Philippines possibly taking more provocative acts in the South China Sea. The Philippines must accept responsibility for the consequences of what will happen," he added. -more
Edited by Andres Boning, Mar 17 2014, 08:04 PM.
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And they have the nerve to say things like this as if we are the ones trespassing on other people waters and stealing resources i say cut ties with this arrogant geniuss
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