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| Indonesia’s South China Sea dilemmas; re-titled | |
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| Ayoshi | Mar 3 2014, 05:27 PM Post #1 |
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February 28, 2014
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| Hong Nam | Apr 7 2014, 02:41 PM Post #2 |
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Indonesia enters the fray with China Published: 4 Apr 2014 at 00.27 - In a significant policy shift, Indonesian officials on March 12, 2014 announced that China's nine-dash line map outlining its claims in the South China Sea overlaps with Indonesia's Riau province, which includes the Natuna island chain. - For over two decades, Indonesia has positioned itself as an independent mediator in the South China Sea disputes between its Asean partners and China. Indonesia and China have no overlapping claims to islands. - Indonesia has long pressed Beijing for reassurance on this point, but it has not been forthcoming. Indonesia's declaration that it is indeed a party to the South China conflict with China ends the strategic ambiguity that has reigned for years, and is likely to heighten tensions on an issue that is already fraught with them. - Indonesia's public declaration that it has a maritime conflict with China is a potential game changer in the game being played out in the South China Sea. With Indonesia officially contesting China's claim, the strategic ambiguity that had allowed Indonesia to position itself as a mediator between China and its Asean partners has been lost. Precisely how events will unfold cannot be predicted. Tensions in the South China Sea are likely to rise further. http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/403364/indonesia-enters-the-fray-with-china The Bangkok Post Edited by Hong Nam, Apr 7 2014, 02:42 PM.
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| icefrog | Apr 8 2014, 12:10 AM Post #3 |
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^ Yeah, I agree. It's possibly a game-changer with Indonesia being a economic powerhouse in the near future (if not already) and easily south-east asia's biggest military. |
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| arvcab | Apr 8 2014, 02:45 AM Post #4 |
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Well its about time they join the fray. The more the merrier. |
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| keboiwa | Apr 8 2014, 06:30 PM Post #5 |
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INTERVIEW-Indonesia military worries over Asia arms race, territorial tensions BY KANUPRIYA KAPOOR AND JONATHAN THATCHER JAKARTA, April 3 Thu Apr 3, 2014 7:47am BST 0 COMMENTS Link this Share this Digg (Reuters) - Indonesia's military is concerned that a rebalancing of power in the Asia-Pacific is driving an arms race in the region and that increasingly tetchy territorial disputes could trigger conflict, its armed forces chief said. In an interview with Reuters, military commander Moeldoko did not single out China for criticism, but his comments are the latest from regional officials that suggest there are growing fears over China's assertiveness and military modernisation. "We are definitely worried because there is a trend happening in the region right now and that is an arms race, between ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries themselves and between major powers," he said late on Wednesday. According to IHS Jane's, a defence publisher, the Asia-Pacific region is the only part of the world to see military spending grow steadily since 2008. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/03/indonesia-military-idUKL4N0MV1BS20140403 |
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| gammy322 | Apr 8 2014, 09:26 PM Post #6 |
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so its China against SEAN(with India) after-all....
Edited by gammy322, Apr 8 2014, 09:26 PM.
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| Hong Nam | Apr 25 2014, 12:04 PM Post #7 |
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South China Sea: Is Jakarta no longer neutral? APR 24, 2014 8:38 PM LEO SURYADINATA THE STRAITS TIMES ON MARCH 12, Indonesia's Commodore Fahru Zaini, assistant deputy to the chief security minister for defence strategic doctrine, was reported to have said that "China has claimed Natuna waters as their (sic) territorial waters. This arbitrary claim ... will have a large impact on the security of Natuna waters". On March 18, however, Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa contradicted him. "There is no territorial dispute between Indonesia and China," the minister insisted. He pointed, instead, to ongoing maritime cooperation between China and Indonesia at the deputy foreign minister level. One of the projects, he said, involved direct foreign investment in Natuna for fish processing and canning. But Mr Natalegawa did concede that Jakarta had rejected China's controversial "nine-dash line" in the South China Sea. It had also questioned China on the legal basis of the line without receiving any reply. But the minister insisted that all this had nothing to do with Natuna islands. However, many observers, especially in the West, believe that Indonesia's position has changed. Instead of being neutral, Indonesia has effectively sided with other South-east Asian claimants. As long as Indonesian territorial integrity is not affected, the foreign ministry will probably have the upper hand. The situation would be very different if China were to send its patrol vessels to the Natuna waters. But this is unlikely in the foreseeable future, given the current stage of Beijing-Jakarta relations. The foreign ministry appears to believe that diplomacy is the best way to moderate China's assertiveness in the present circumstances. It remains to be seen whether the strategy will achieve its objective. The Straits Times |
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| Hong Nam | Apr 25 2014, 12:07 PM Post #8 |
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China's Dismaying New Claims in the South China Sea Indonesia will strengthen its military forces in the Natuna Islands now that Beijing wants to take them over. By MOELDOKO April 24, 2014 7:27 p.m. ET The South China Sea has become the focal point of maritime disputes in Asia. Two of the claimants are China and Taiwan, while the other four—Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam—are members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. While Asean as a grouping is not a party to the disputes, the organization has an interest in seeing them resolved peacefully and without affecting international freedom of navigation. That is the crux of Indonesia's position as well. We are not a claimant in a dispute. But we will be affected should conflict break out in the South China Sea over interpretations of the so-called nine-dash line on Chinese maps laying claim to about 90% of that sea's 3.5 million square kilometer waters (or 1.35 million square miles). Given the economic and strategic significance of the sea, this is a pressing international issue that has come to involve the U.S. as well. Indonesia is dismayed, therefore, that China has included parts of the Natuna Islands within the nine-dash line, thus apparently claiming a segment of Indonesia's Riau Islands province as its territory. An image showing the line features in newly issued Chinese passports. The affected archipelago is off the northwest coast of Borneo. We are not naďve. We know that the major powers must find it in their interests to keep the peace, and only then can peace prevail. A zero-war policy might appear to be excessively hopeful, but it is realistic. It serves the interests of Asia's major powers by contributing to a benign strategic environment that allows them to grow together and to settle their differences through negotiation and compromise. Indonesia would throw its diplomatic weight behind the creation of an Asian order based on the rejection of the threat or use of force. Wall Street Journal |
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| Ayoshi | May 24 2014, 01:25 PM Post #9 |
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Indonesia joins push against China; beefs up air force in South China Sea (chinadailymail.com) MAY 23, 2014
other source: janes.com Edited by Ayoshi, May 24 2014, 01:25 PM.
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| Hong Nam | May 27 2014, 01:48 PM Post #10 |
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The Next South China Sea Crisis: China vs. Indonesia? Jack Greig May 23, 2014 The seabed around the Natuna Islands is gas-rich and falls partly within the boundaries of China’s so-called nine-dash line in the South China Sea. But it’s also a part of Indonesia's maritime Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Indonesia has asserted on a number occasions that there's no dispute with China around the EEZ because China’s audacious claim has no basis in international law. But Beijing has simply refused to respond consistently or clearly to Jakarta's multiple requests for clarification. At the least, there's a conflict over the interpretation of the 1982 UNCLOS - and the legal concept that 'land dominates the seas' - between China and Indonesia. Speaking in February after the implementation of China's Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the East China Sea, Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa warned, "we have firmly told China we will not accept a similar zone if it is adopted in the South China Sea". Even though both China and Indonesia currently enjoy a remarkable stint of amicable relations, tensions in the South China Sea are continuing to simmer. So Jakarta should maintain its push for clarity with an official agreement that excises the Natuna Islands EEZ from all iterations of the nine-dash line map. National Interest |
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