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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,207 Views)
steelDUST
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You hit it right to the head, sir Hong!

These businessmen sometimes (if not all of the times) only think about money and money and mo money.
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An article about the Varyag...

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/08/12/the_purpose_of_chinas_new_aircraft.php
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steelDUST
Aug 22 2012, 10:44 PM
:lollol: If the world doesn't expect China to actually use the Varyag, then what do they expect? Another hotel? :lollol:



Would make a nice artificial coral reef. It only seems right since they have destroyed your coral reefs, atolls, and fish habitats. Maybe it's time they give back to nature.
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i don't think war is imminent, we're not in that stage yet.. where we are right now is in the preparation, albeit very slowly. it takes years before we can get the hardware. and once we have the minimum number of credible warships and fighters, we'll not stop there. we can't fight them with just a certain number of ships and planes, they're just so big and powerful so we have to be wise in fighting a war that may or may never come. they have the capability to stage a limited and even a full scale sea-borne invasion and frontal assault, so in the foreseeable future we have to develop a force that can stop, if not repel, this kind of attack, so i agree with the study of a senior fellow of FPRI.

we can't fight China toe-to-toe. art of war, we'll fight them where they won't. how? let the generals think about it
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Aug 22 2012, 11:06 PM
i don't think war is imminent, we're not in that stage yet.. where we are right now is in the preparation, albeit very slowly. it takes years before we can get the hardware. and once we have the minimum number of credible warships and fighters, we'll not stop there. we can't fight them with just a certain number of ships and planes, they're just so big and powerful so we have to be wise in fighting a war that may or may never come. they have the capability to stage a limited and even a full scale sea-borne invasion and frontal assault, so in the foreseeable future we have to develop a force that can stop, if not repel, this kind of attack, so i agree with the study of a senior fellow of FPRI.

we can't fight China toe-to-toe. art of war, we'll fight them where they won't. how? let the generals think about it
Sir Goose:

Sorry, but in a war, one or both belligerents doesn't need to be prepared to wage one.

In our case, China wouldn't advise us to strengthen our AFP as it will have a detrimental effect on the balance that is on their favor!

Just look at how wars started. The other side were always "surprised" of the events unfolding right before their eyes.

Take for example Poland in 1939. They have an idea that war is coming YET they don't expect it to come on September 1 that year! They were taken aback eventhough they've been strengthening and modernizing their forces for years! Do you think Poland will be beaten that easily should they knew the date of German's invasion?

Other wars that I knew (and I may be lacking on this as well, mea culpa) that never went well for the invaders were the Greek wars from Persian invasions; and Finland during the winter war vs Russia when the latter prepared too much and eventually lost it's surprise virtue. Serious preparations, prompt reactions and steadfast resolutions helped the "defending" side stemmed the tide or even halted and frustrated the opfor.

Yeah, for some war is not imminent. Only the Chicom's territorial grabbings will certainly be.

Now that's the question whether our leaders will protect and stand for our territorial sovereignty or not.
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Aug 22 2012, 10:44 PM
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Totally a new game changer!- The former carrier Varyag (aka Shi Lang or Liu HuaQing?)

The carrier Varyag underwent its last, the 7th sea trial carrying with it several J-15 fighter jets involved in landing and take off. It was the longest sea trial for 25 days. the trials for the ship and jets involved ski jump for takeoff and 3 lines of cables/arresters to slow down/stop the aircraft when they land. The J-15 with folded wings was based on the Russia's SU-33 fighter. The earlier proposed sale from Russia of the SU-33s failed due to copy right problems with China.
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Aug 22 2012, 08:10 PM
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Aug 19 2012, 04:51 PM
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zwahzhal
Aug 19 2012, 03:29 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, this may have been kept away from media... Chinese has prepared their missiles not only to Taiwan but also, July 2012, pointing PH and Vietnam. Plus, in the Spratly's, they have missiles that can reach our soil. Their act of agression is a very obvious sign of planning to conquer PH sovereignty one-by-one. Sooner or later, they will fabricate another old map saying that Palawan is historically part of China and should belong to China no matter what the cause.
That fact is secret from the mainstream media, but I kinda knew it.

It's not only Palawan, Mr. Z. As much as I want to post "other potential places of imminent danger" a person has a figurative pistol over my head now.
It was kept away from public information due to media blackout and several consequences but unfortunately, the PH sovereignty is being sacrificed and I cannot swallow such happening. There are silent movements by the govt but there has still been no concrete action to strictly implement the rule of law, and the code of conduct legally. We must act more, we must do more. Our PH sovereignty is in the lower level of the balance.

Calling on PNoy and Sec. Del Rosario, we need a concrete action to strictly implement the rule of law, and the code of conduct legally, our constitution, the legal laws of the seas. We must act now. Send our dedicated Army and Marines in our own lands, put up the PH flag. THIS IS OUR SOVEREIGNTY, OUR NATION, OUR CONSTITUTION. Review your papers...we have a mandate to protect our people, our nation, our constituion. Chinese piracy and conquering in our own land (w/c is some only of the spratly's, and the scarborough) is an act of aggression and disregard to the legal and binding laws.

For everyone's A10TZUN.


Samir_Duran
Aug 15 2012, 12:24 PM
As what I have said before on one of my posts here somewhere that our Republic is on a serious situation and that the AFP is on stand-by mode. Just a hint from what I know - we are preparing. For what? For any eventuality. What eventuality? The same situation we had when the Americans came during the Spanish occupation - in short, read your history. I was stunned by that answer from my superiors. And my hunch is confirmed by the article above. I hope that as a nation, we will be united on this. May it be OFW's, expats, Filipinos abroad, and us here. This is indeed a perilous time for our country. I have fear but the patriotism in my heart will not fail me if that time comes - I am prepared. We will die fighting rather than just an on- looker of the coming onslaught. Let me take this opportunity to call on all of you namely - spearhead, avb, lord marshall, ice frog, TOPP, Mckoyzzz, saver111, to name some that we need you more than ever and whatever you can to help. Sana tularan natin ang mga Israelis - walang iwanan hanggang sa katapusan. Wala na sanang Januario Galut sa atin. Anjan lang naman si Tito Sam pero wag natin i-asa sa kanya ang lahat. Ipakita natin na kaya nating tumayo sa sarili nating mga paa tulad ng ginawa ng mga lolo natin noong WWII. I don't want WAR but it is inevitable and is already in our shores - the die is cast! I will be out for a while to prepare - this may be my last post. Hope to see you in the battlefield, my fellow patriots. God help us. :armysad:


None of you should go alone if a war broke up.

This is what we gonna do, IF a war broke up, this will be our FIRST sign, which means, we will personally prepare for war. We will all arrange our meeting place, communicate to each others, and i suggest that all volunteers from PDFF should be joining forces with Timawan volunteers (which is karamihan eh kayo kayo din pala mga inuts lol), we'll put aside our differences, and together we fight the invaders. Walang palakihan ng ulo, we will sort all things out once we organize our groups.

BUT FOR NOW, relax. I personally dont see any hard signs yet that a war is imminent, i can say it's possible though but i hardly imagine that china will actually reach the point of sending large scale invasion force to capture our territories. I personally think that before this thing happens, they will be pulvorized first by the joint allied forces of US, SK, Australia, Japan, and us the philippines.

Now IF this first line of defense collapsed, it will be our SECOND sign. Then we shall immediately all prepare ourselves to leave for the philippines, all volunteers will go fly or sail back home and meet up to form an independent guerilla group (because by then our AFP maybe already broken up to many pieces (small groups) and scattered all over the philippines).

Then once we established our armed group, we will link up with better organized guerilla groups specially those with military backgrounds. I'm open with joining up some MNLF fighters and sign an alliance with them.

Cool?
It's doesn't have to be a laborious "invasion"

It could be instead what the west calls, "Gunboat Diplomacy"; China stationing surface ships at Hainan because of "security factors" and sending subs at Spratlys "to ensure China's sovereignty over the region".

Basically, when that happens, we're at a lose-lose situation. We do nothing, nothing good happens for us. We do something, we provide China a reason for protracted and even open warfare.
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Napoleon Bonaparte once told one of his trusted officers that he wanted trees to be planted at the roadside in all of France so his troops could enjoy the shade while marching. His officer was clearly puzzled since trees would take at least 20 years to provide some sort of shade. Napoleon quickly understood what the officer was thinking and said: "All the reason why we have to start planting now."

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Aug 23 2012, 08:45 AM
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Aug 22 2012, 10:44 PM
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Totally a new game changer!- The former carrier Varyag (aka Shi Lang or Liu HuaQing?)

The carrier Varyag underwent its last, the 7th sea trial carrying with it several J-15 fighter jets involved in landing and take off. It was the longest sea trial for 25 days. the trials for the ship and jets involved ski jump for takeoff and 3 lines of cables/arresters to slow down/stop the aircraft when they land. The J-15 with folded wings was based on the Russia's SU-33 fighter. The earlier proposed sale from Russia of the SU-33s failed due to copy right problems with China.
Now, I hope "some" of us here can now "see" WHY China is so aggressive in the region...

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DFA chief: PHL ready to send back ships to Panatag once weather improves
By MICHAELA DEL CALLAR August 24, 2012 12:02pm


The Philippines will send back ships it pulled out from the disputed Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal or Bajo de Masinloc once the weather improves, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said.

President Benigno Aquino III ordered the withdrawal of two Philippine vessels in June, easing a tense standoff that erupted in April 10.

"We’re waiting for better conditions," Del Rosario told reporters during the Eid El Fitr reception at the Department of Foreign Affairs Thursday evening.

"I think the President believes that this is not the proper time because of the very bad weather," he said.

At least three Chinese vessels have been sighted at the shoal by the Philippine Navy in its latest reconnaissance flight over the area, Del Rosario said.

Barriers set up by China at the mouth of the shoal to block the entry of any Philippine vessel that will attempt to enter the lagoon have remained, he added...

Full Story at GMA News
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