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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,151 Views)
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A dialogue to implement the DOC?

Sure... An agreement should be "ironed out" just about the time their illegal reclamation activities would be completed. Much like closing the bull ring doors right after the bulls had escaped.

Words spoken with a forked tongue - beware.




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House approves bill defining Philippine maritime zones on committee level
September 15, 2014


House Bill 4889, Philippine Maritime Zones Act, was approved on House of Representatives committee level Thursday, September 11.

Francisco Ashley L. Acedillo of Magdalo party-list, Rodolfo G. Biazon from Muntinlupa, Jose F. Zubiri III of Bukidnon 3rd district, and House committee on foreign affairs chairman Al Francis C. Bichara of Albay 2nd district introduced the bill.

The bill states in the proposed law:


- Philippine maritime zones include internal waters, archipelagic waters, territorial sea, contiguous zone, exclusive economic zone and continental shelf.

- 12 nautical miles from the baseline or low-water line will be the country’s territorial sea, for contiguous zone - 24 nautical miles from the baseline, exclusive economic zone will be 200 nautical miles from the baseline, and for the continental shelf, 200 nautical miles from the baseline, including the seabed and subsoil of submarine areas.

- The Philippines shall exercise sovereign rights over this area, including the right to explore and exploit living and nonliving, organic and inorganic resources in accordance with the UNCLOS and other existing laws and treaties.



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Spain to support PH in sea row
By Christian V. Esguerra - Philipine Daily Inquirer
Tuesday, September 16th, 2014


Madrid - Spain has offered to be the "voice" of the Philippines in the European Union in its territorial dispute with China in the West Philippine Sea, President Aquino said on Monday.

Aquino said Spain expressed "surprise and heightened concern" over developments in the South China Sea when he sat down with Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy for a bilateral meeting. The President said he also discussed the matter with King Felipe VI.


"Madrid adopted the soundness of the actions taken by Manila, such as filing an arbitration case against China in the United Nations. I think, in general, they already support all of that," Aquino told reporters on board his charter flight to Belgium, where he would meet with EU leaders.

"It is in the interest of the international community to ensure that the rule of law is protected whenever confronted by forces that do not respect it. The international community must uphold the rule of law for the sake of global peace, security and stability," he said during the 30-minute meeting at Palacio de la Moncloa here.


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Hey People,

Did PRoC's really threatened to take over Pag-asa Island this year???

Been following Sir. Raffy Alunan III on his FB, regarding PH/ China WPS disputes and all.. He seems very well into everything with his campaign against China, promoting Filipino patriotism and as well as the AFP Modernizations, I really wish for our next leader and all our Politicos together w/ the Military and Police, for them to have the kind of mind-set and thinking this guy has...
The realities are.. it is very much possible indeed for China to copy Russia's moves, particularly the annexation of Crimea and invasion of Eastern Ukraine, on taking Pag-asa Island, Ayungin and other Islands, shoals controlled by PH by force.
For once they have accomplished occupation of PH controlled Islands in KIG, ther will be NO RETURNS, like Crimea now is Russian Territory.
The worse part of it all, I recon China's possible sanctions, if ever, won't be as painful as Russia's because the whole World relies more on China compared to Russia.

For the Philippines, WE SHOULD, WE MUST PREPARE HARD and BE ALWAYS READY TO PROTECT "INANG BAYAN" it's TERRITORIES and INTERESTS at ALL COST!

To our Leaders, STOP noynoying! SHOW the FILIPINO People some REAL PROOF! The REAL DEAL not just harmless "White Elephants" or "Mosquitos" that can only shoot "peas"!??
We ALL want to SEE "LETHAL WEAPONS", Real DEFENSE PREPARATIONS, FORTIFICATIONS in Pag-asa and other territories, something ENOUGH to DETER, China's Aggressions towards the Philippines.

Edited by Andres Boning, Sep 18 2014, 07:07 PM.
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Apologies for misspelled missing letters on words "there" and "reckoned."
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PNoy should NOT be as complacent as the Vietnamese govt. was on the eve of the 1979 Chinese invasion of Vietnam, when the Vietnamese did not think a a communist ally would attack them.

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Aquino rules out China attack
By Christian V. Esguerra |Philipine Daily Inquirer6:51 pm | Friday, September 19th, 2014

PARIS—President Benigno Aquino III is not convinced that China would go to the extent of attacking the Philippines despite what he considered its “emerging pattern of aggression” in the South China Sea.

In this March 30, 2014, file photo, Philippine Marines raise the Philippine flag on the first day of their deployment on the dilapidated navy ship LT57 BRP Sierra Madre at the disputed Second Thomas Shoal, locally known as Ayungin Shoal, off the West Philippine Sea. The Philippines on Monday, Aug. 18, slammed what it called China’s “illegitimate sovereignty patrols” of Philippine waters, following President Aquino’s revelation that two Chinese research vessels had been spotted on oil-rich Recto Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

The President was bombarded with questions on the Philippines’ territorial dispute with Beijing shortly after he delivered a policy speech at the French Institute of International Relations (IFRI) here Thursday night (early Friday in Manila).

“If they do decide to attack us—and I don’t think and I have to be very clear about that—I couldn’t see the logic for them to do so and there is no amount of spinning of the story that will justify such an action,” he told French researchers and policy experts.

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China advances with Johnson South Reef construction

James Hardy, London and Sean O'Connor, Indiana - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
19 September 2014



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Satellite imagery dated 14 August 2014 shows ongoing construction and development of the new island on Johnson South Reef in the Spratly Islands. (PLEIADES © CNES 2014, Distribution Airbus DS / Spot Image S.A. / IHS)



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Beijing seeking to 'change facts' in South China Sea
Despite protests from Manila, China continues to build artificial islands in the Spratlys in a bid to assert its sovereignty claims before a UN court rules in an arbitration case, as analyst Gregory Poling tells DW.



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Why is China creating these features in the South China Sea?

China's choice of these five features - the status of which (as islands, rocks, or low tide elevations) are all part of the Philippines' case against China in the Permanent Court of Arbitration - was no accident. It seems Beijing is trying to change facts on the ground to make it more difficult, if not impossible, for the court to decide what the original status of these features may have been.

Potential access for small aircraft or patrol vessels might also be a benefit, but it is too early to say. We should regard the alarm bells from Manila and elsewhere about military bases in the Spratlys to be premature at best. These features are unlikely to be capable of hosting any substantial facilities in the near future on the level of those Taiwan maintains at Itu Aba or the Vietnamese have at Spratly Island.



How long has China been building up these features?

Construction and limited reclamation work by China in the Spratlys is not new - China began engaging in such work at Mischief Reef not long after occupying it in 1995. It is important to remember that by the time China entered the Spratlys in the 1980s, there was nothing left to occupy but low-tide elevations and submerged reefs with a couple of dry rocks.


Why is Beijing selecting these precise locations in the South China Sea to build their islands?

The legal and political reasoning behind these seems to derive from their status as low-tide elevations or rocks - a fact which China would like to obscure. None of them appear to lie near substantial hydrocarbon resources, much less commercially viable reserves, and it is difficult to see how the construction could assist in the exploitation of fisheries.


In legal terms, would it make any difference if those islands were inhabited?

Habitation would be unlikely to make any legal difference. As far as sovereignty over the islands is concerned, any court would deem that the "critical date" - the legal term for the date when a dispute between nations has crystallized and after which no changes of facts on the ground can affect its legal status - is long past.

As for whether construction or reclamation could affect the legal status of these features as islands entitled to their own vast maritime entitlements and continental shelves, or merely rocks or low-tide elevations, the answer appears to be no.

The vast majority of legal scholars have come to the conclusion that reclamation cannot change the status of a feature; it can merely create an "artificial island," which under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, generates no entitlements. Of course, if reclamation makes it impossible for any court in the future to determine the original status of these features, then China's work could certainly stymie the legal process.



Is China setting a precedent with these islands?

It is too early to say if this will set a precedent. So far, the other claimants, especially the Philippines and Vietnam, have taken a strong line that such work violates the spirit of their 2002 Declaration of Conduct for Parties in the South China Sea. Hopefully, that will mean that they will refrain from attempting similar work at their own features. The Philippines is very unlikely to attempt such, as it is in the midst of a legal case based on the status of China's low-lying features, and would not want to jeopardize that with hypocrisy.

Vietnam also seems unlikely to pursue such a course immediately, but it also occupies a significant number of features that likely qualify as rocks, if not merely low-tide elevations, and as such will face some pressure to try and bolster its position regarding their status before the arbitration court rules in the Philippine case.



What can the countries in the region such as Vietnam, and the Philippines do about it?

Mostly what they are already doing - highlighting its apparent illegality, as well as the ways in which it violates the spirit if not letter of previous agreements. International condemnation is currently their best weapon against China until the Philippine case proves whether the law will be to their benefit.

In the meantime, the one thing this should get Manila and Hanoi to do is make a concerted effort to short-circuit China's attempts to hide the real status of features by accurately surveying them now before further reclamation works make it impossible to determine their original geography.




Gregory Poling is a fellow with the Sumitro Chair for Southeast Asia Studies at the Washington-based Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS).



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There is a big possibility that something big is going to happen before 2016 ends, as in sa West Philippine Sea.
China already took Scarborough from the Philippines with just using their white ships against PN's newest ex USCG, who knows whats next.
From day 1 after the Scarborough incident, up to now, is the present administration dead serious on protecting Philippine territories or wants to turn over everything to China?
All these talks or acquisitions on AFP Modernizations ragarding their plans, evaluations, purchases are "super pagong" very much like deliberate "delay delays" and if a viable or potential platforms are readily available they turn it down, cancel or look the other way, it's obvious that maybe some in the present pips are just buying time.
They are just trying to make it look like they are prepping for external defence, but are only acquiring non lethal weapons, weapons that can't deter a possible Chinese occupation of KIG. Call me crazy but it sure looks like it? :dunno:
The only usable purchase the PH Govt. made are the 12 FA50s from Sk, but without some potent PN Warships to tandem or some Anti Air, Anti Ship Missile launchers to protect to sychro their strategies, against for example (4-6) J10,11s or much worse SU-30s supported by a type 051 B destroyer, this lot can annihilate all our PAF/ PN combined within a few hours without a sweat.
AT SAKA, SOBRA ANG RAMPANT NG MGA ILLEGAL CHINESE ACTIVITIES AT ORGANIZED CRIMES SA LOOB NG PILIPINAS AT PATAYAN. BAKIT KAYA???
SA TINGIN KO WALANG MABIBILI O MA DELIVER NA MGA WARSHIP O ANO MAN NA MAKAKA HADLANG SA MGA PLANO NG CHINOY SA SOUTH CHINA SEA. BELIEVE ME! "Blood is thicker than water" :armyeek: :dunno:
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PHL hopes China changes position on West Philippine Sea arbitration case
By: Philippines News Agency
September 21, 2014 7:00 PM

BOSTON, Massachusetts - The Philippines still hopes China will change its mind and participate in the arbitration case filed at the international arbitral tribunal, Philippine Ambassador to the United States Jose Cuisia said.

The Philippines submitted its memorial to the tribunal in March this year, and according to Cuisia, the deadline for China's submission for a similar memorial will be on Dec. 15 this year.

China, however, continues to reject participation in the arbitration case.

According to Cuisia, many people say that if China has strong grounds for its own claim, it must participate in the case filed by the Philippines.

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