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| Philippines-China WPS Dispute | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,208 Views) | |
| lionking66 | Aug 21 2012, 06:20 PM Post #51 |
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Combat Radius with Max External Fuel (Miles) Edited by lionking66, Aug 21 2012, 06:24 PM.
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| steelDUST | Aug 21 2012, 07:14 PM Post #52 |
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Beijing knows that this data is at best very risky. Hence, they invest in aircraft carriers that can shorten the Su-30's operational range to lengthen or add it's loiter time. |
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"Thou must (in commanding and winning, or serving and losing, suffering or triumphing) be either the anvil or the hammer." - Goethe | |
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| lionking66 | Aug 21 2012, 07:51 PM Post #53 |
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Agree fully Steeldust with your assessment! It might still take a decade or more for them to attain operational efficiency in operating a carrier battle group to include pilot proficiency. |
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| steelDUST | Aug 21 2012, 08:08 PM Post #54 |
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Not decade. They've been training for that since their refurbished Russian-built carrier has been in operation since a couple of years ago. And by 2018 they'll add another 2 carriers. Meaning, they already attained their initial carrier op requirement/s so that by that time (2018) they're fully capable in 1 or 2 carriers for muscle-flexing in WPS... We need at least full complement of air defense missile system + anti-ship battery in Palawan and Luzon. Plus at least 3 hunter-killer subs (Amur or Type 214 or Scorpene or Sauro) with BM capability to keep the chicoms guessing where and when we're going to strike/retaliate. |
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| lionking66 | Aug 21 2012, 08:30 PM Post #55 |
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The Varyag has not yet been fully operational ! At best it is still on sea trial status. They are still having problems with the catapult or ski-jump. |
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| Frenzy | Aug 22 2012, 07:34 PM Post #56 |
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Veteran Beijing watcher cautions against protracted conflict over West PH Sea MANILA - The Philippines should exercise restraint in its territorial disputes with China, as a protracted conflict will injure local businessmen, the former Beijing bureau chief of ABC News said on Wednesday. "The issue of sovereignty put it on the back burner. We should try to normalize our tourism and trade relations," Chito Sta. Romana told members of the Makati Business Club. Sta. Romana, who spent four decades covering China, said the Philippines must "exercise restraint and resort to quiet, patient diplomacy to prevent armed conflict." Manila has been engaged in a spat with Beijing over Scarborough Shoal and other areas in the West Philippine Sea that are believed to hold vast reserves of oil and natural gas. Sta. Romana said both sides should “find a way to have a mutually accepted contract or formula that will allow us to jointly explore” areas such as the Recto Bank, which private companies earlier said hold oil reserves bigger than the Malampaya natural gas field. While both sides had limited military action to posturing and the deployment of sea vessels, the battle has been engaged in the tourism and trade fronts. Chinese travel agencies had imposed a ban on tour packages to the Philippines, while Beijing has tightened quarantine requirements on Mindanao’s Cavendish bananas. "The Philippines is considered a hostile country" by many Chinese, Sta. Romana said. Makati Business Club executive director Peter Angelo Perfecto told InterAksyon.com that businessmen do not want the dispute to go on for a long time. "Within our membership, there have been concerns raised, but really more for the long-term, because if this continues further and gets prolonged, then the impact will be, of course, quite bad," Perfecto said. "Right now it's not yet a major issue, but it is a concern because we don't want to prolong it," he said. "China might start using that economic card more aggressively; that's what we don't want," he added. http://www.interaksyon.com/business/41142/veteran-beijing-watcher-cautions-against-protracted-conflict-over-west-ph-sea |
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| spearhead | Aug 22 2012, 08:10 PM Post #57 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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None of you should go alone if a war broke up. This is what we gonna do, IF a war broke up, this will be our FIRST sign, which means, we will personally prepare for war. We will all arrange our meeting place, communicate to each others, and i suggest that all volunteers from PDFF should be joining forces with Timawan volunteers (which is karamihan eh kayo kayo din pala mga inuts lol), we'll put aside our differences, and together we fight the invaders. Walang palakihan ng ulo, we will sort all things out once we organize our groups. BUT FOR NOW, relax. I personally dont see any hard signs yet that a war is imminent, i can say it's possible though but i hardly imagine that china will actually reach the point of sending large scale invasion force to capture our territories. I personally think that before this thing happens, they will be pulvorized first by the joint allied forces of US, SK, Australia, Japan, and us the philippines. Now IF this first line of defense collapsed, it will be our SECOND sign. Then we shall immediately all prepare ourselves to leave for the philippines, all volunteers will go fly or sail back home and meet up to form an independent guerilla group (because by then our AFP maybe already broken up to many pieces (small groups) and scattered all over the philippines). Then once we established our armed group, we will link up with better organized guerilla groups specially those with military backgrounds. I'm open with joining up some MNLF fighters and sign an alliance with them. Cool? Edited by spearhead, Aug 22 2012, 08:26 PM.
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| steelDUST | Aug 22 2012, 08:57 PM Post #58 |
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There has been no catapults in the Varyag (Kuznetsov class) carriers, sir. And it already attained it's initial operational capability with it's propulsion and heli docking-or so the Chicoms wanted us to believe. With 3 more indigenous carriers in mind, the chicoms purposed the Varyag to be it's carrier research and training platform-or so the chicoms wanted us to believe. "If weak, appear to be strong. If strong, appear to be weak." - Sun Tzu |
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| steelDUST | Aug 22 2012, 09:01 PM Post #59 |
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Sir spearhead: MNLF will certainly team up with chicoms, sir. If independence is their objective then the chicoms will glady help them with their Mindanao claim. |
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| Hong Nam | Aug 22 2012, 10:12 PM Post #60 |
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Only in an ideal world where both parties want parity. Sadly this is not the case. We all know what China wants.
Does this mean "screw sovereignty" you need money more?
Isn't this what the Philippines is doing?
Take note on the phrase: both sides. I can only see one side who is sincere in their actions and it certainly isn't China. Startling, but quite similar to what happened 7 decades ago when a man with a funny mustache decided to grab what he wanted and appeasement only emboldened him to go further because he knew the other side didn't show their resolve and was percieved to be weak. The Chinese only understand strength and negotiations will prove difficult because they want it all. They want it all because they know they can take it albeit with some difficulty.
Edited by Hong Nam, Aug 22 2012, 10:25 PM.
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