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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,209 Views)
Parastriker
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zwahzhal
Aug 19 2012, 04:51 PM
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Aug 19 2012, 04:17 PM
zwahzhal
Aug 19 2012, 03:29 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, this may have been kept away from media... Chinese has prepared their missiles not only to Taiwan but also, July 2012, pointing PH and Vietnam. Plus, in the Spratly's, they have missiles that can reach our soil. Their act of agression is a very obvious sign of planning to conquer PH sovereignty one-by-one. Sooner or later, they will fabricate another old map saying that Palawan is historically part of China and should belong to China no matter what the cause.
That fact is secret from the mainstream media, but I kinda knew it.

It's not only Palawan, Mr. Z. As much as I want to post "other potential places of imminent danger" a person has a figurative pistol over my head now.
It was kept away from public information due to media blackout and several consequences but unfortunately, the PH sovereignty is being sacrificed and I cannot swallow such happening. There are silent movements by the govt but there has still been no concrete action to strictly implement the rule of law, and the code of conduct legally. We must act more, we must do more. Our PH sovereignty is in the lower level of the balance.

Calling on PNoy and Sec. Del Rosario, we need a concrete action to strictly implement the rule of law, and the code of conduct legally, our constitution, the legal laws of the seas. We must act now. Send our dedicated Army and Marines in our own lands, put up the PH flag. THIS IS OUR SOVEREIGNTY, OUR NATION, OUR CONSTITUTION. Review your papers...we have a mandate to protect our people, our nation, our constituion. Chinese piracy and conquering in our own land (w/c is some only of the spratly's, and the scarborough) is an act of aggression and disregard to the legal and binding laws.

For everyone's A10TZUN.
As much as I admire your patriotic spirit, it seems that we do not have the ability to control the main variables of the equation here.

The government only assumes that the media blackout is a far less worse alternative than to say the truth in a whole sense.

And still now, even me is part of that blackout. As I said, there's a person who has a figurative pistol on my head.
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Matagal na po yan, Sir Z.

Since the chicoms started to set up installations on their claims, they've been secretly putting up SAMs, ASMs, radars, sonars, ELINTs, etc.

And the chicoms ARE hellbent in "protecting" and "dying" for their claims in WPS. The question now remains: when will be the day that THEY will "cause" a reason to start the war.
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Aug 19 2012, 07:55 PM
Matagal na po yan, Sir Z.

Since the chicoms started to set up installations on their claims, they've been secretly putting up SAMs, ASMs, radars, sonars, ELINTs, etc.

And the chicoms ARE hellbent in "protecting" and "dying" for their claims in WPS. The question now remains: when will be the day that THEY will "cause" a reason to start the war.
Well, as far as I know, we could equate that to the amount of time left before oil prices start to get high for the Chinese or the amount of time left for the Politburo to remain patient.
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I do not believe in a media blackout. It is best if the populace is informed of all the facts irregardless of how bleak the situation is. The truth after all is still better than being kept in the dark. I have learned through experience to never under-estimate the resolve of Filipinos and how Filipinos deal with extreme hardships. God Bless You All. :salute:

:rifle: It seems that all are into agreement that it is inevitable. The only question is that will the PH be ready when the time comes. :rifle:

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Aug 20 2012, 02:29 PM
I do not believe in a media blackout. It is best if the populace is informed of all the facts irregardless of how bleak the situation is. The truth after all is still better than being kept in the dark. I have learned through experience to never under-estimate the resolve of Filipinos and how Filipinos deal with extreme hardships. God Bless You All. :salute:

:rifle: It seems that all are into agreement that it is inevitable. The only question is that will the PH be ready when the time comes. :rifle:
Some people said that the people would panic and some would even take advantage of it. (The panic)
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The opportunists must be dealt with accordingly...
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Aug 20 2012, 06:15 PM
The opportunists must be dealt with accordingly...
Some people found that too hard to do, and so, they would just instead keep their mouths closed.

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wrong thread..sorry
Edited by seWer Rat, Aug 20 2012, 07:04 PM.
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Aug 20 2012, 07:36 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 07:55 PM
Matagal na po yan, Sir Z.

Since the chicoms started to set up installations on their claims, they've been secretly putting up SAMs, ASMs, radars, sonars, ELINTs, etc.

And the chicoms ARE hellbent in "protecting" and "dying" for their claims in WPS. The question now remains: when will be the day that THEY will "cause" a reason to start the war.
Well, as far as I know, we could equate that to the amount of time left before oil prices start to get high for the Chinese or the amount of time left for the Politburo to remain patient.
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Source: International Defense Review 5/1994 p.10


The diagram as shown depicts the operational range/radius of the earlier SU-27s acquired by China. It shows that the aircraft flying out from Hainan can reach as far as Manila to the East, Ho Chi Minh city to the South and short of Singapore to include the northern tip of Borneo. Palawan and the KIG are not depicted but needless to say that they are covered likewise.

It clearly tells us that the aircraft can provide the necessary air support for their ships either in Carburo or any shoal, reef, island in the contested area. The only limiting factor is its loiter time. Adding to this vulnerabilityi is its turn around time- take off, engage,return and land,refuel and rearm and take off again. Plus of course, pilot fatigue! I dont have to elucidate further about the reach of the latest PRC acquisition of SU-30 MKKs!

Given these circumstances, our proximity- Subic for Carburo,and Purto for KIG, still gives us a distinct advantage which we can exploit! Hence our sea and air assets are two sides of the same defense coin. It becomes imperative therefore that the rate of upgrade must be on the same page.
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Aug 21 2012, 03:49 PM
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Aug 20 2012, 07:36 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 07:55 PM
Matagal na po yan, Sir Z.

Since the chicoms started to set up installations on their claims, they've been secretly putting up SAMs, ASMs, radars, sonars, ELINTs, etc.

And the chicoms ARE hellbent in "protecting" and "dying" for their claims in WPS. The question now remains: when will be the day that THEY will "cause" a reason to start the war.
Well, as far as I know, we could equate that to the amount of time left before oil prices start to get high for the Chinese or the amount of time left for the Politburo to remain patient.
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Source: International Defense Review 5/1994 p.10


The diagram as shown depicts the operational range/radius of the earlier SU-27s acquired by China. It shows that the aircraft flying out from Hainan can reach as far as Manila to the East, Ho Chi Minh city to the South and short of Singapore to include the northern tip of Borneo. Palawan and the KIG are not depicted but needless to say that they are covered likewise.

It clearly tells us that the aircraft can provide the necessary air support for their ships either in Carburo or any shoal, reef, island in the contested area. The only limiting factor is its loiter time. Adding to this vulnerabilityi is its turn around time- take off, engage,return and land,refuel and rearm and take off again. Plus of course, pilot fatigue! I dont have to elucidate further about the reach of the latest PRC acquisition of SU-30 MKKs!

Given these circumstances, our proximity- Subic for Carburo,and Purto for KIG, still gives us a distinct advantage which we can exploit! Hence our sea and air assets are two sides of the same defense coin. It becomes imperative therefore that the rate of upgrade must be on the same page.
What is that? Combat Radius or Maximum range?

Those two are different things, mind you.

EDIT: I read operational range. What kind? Light ops or heavy ops?
Edited by Parastriker, Aug 21 2012, 05:08 PM.
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