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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,166 Views)
Hong Nam
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And here now is your favourite retired Chinese general:

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Chinese general wants to attack Ayungin Shoal
Samuel Biag May 13, 2014


"We have maintained a great deal of restraint and patience. Philippines invaded our eight reefs, and is now arresting our fishermen. When are we going to fight back? It is incorrect to assume that China will completely rule out military action in any event during this 'period of strategic opportunity'. To safeguard our sovereign and territory rights, we will never hesitate to face up to any military challenge. Also, considering the relative military strengths of China and the Philippines, the Filipino people can judge for themselves the wisdom or otherwise of their government's decision to take this stand against China."


- Luo Yuan, Major General (ret)

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Someone is bored at home and wants to play soldier. Give this man a banana! :banana:

Edited by Hong Nam, May 14 2014, 11:18 PM.

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Beijing Mouthpiece Rattles Sabre at Vietnam and Philippines over South China Sea
By Umberto Bacchi
May 16, 2014 12:55 GMT


A Chinese state-run newspaper said Beijing should consider using force against Vietnam and the Philippines to settle a dispute over territories in the South China Sea.

In a paradoxical editorial piece, the hawkish Global Times newspaper wrote :

"The South China Sea disputes should be settled in a peaceful manner, but that doesn't mean China can't resort to non-peaceful measures in the face of provocation from Vietnam and the Philippines. Many people believe that a forced war would convince some countries of China's sincerely peaceful intentions."




International Business Times



A "forced war" might help persuade Manila and Hanoi that Beijing harbours peaceful intentions? :scared:

These clowns must be smoking some serious crap. It's really clouding their brains and putting everything in an inverse perspective! My advice is that it's best that you Filipinos stay away from it.



Edited by Hong Nam, May 16 2014, 11:31 PM.

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this gen fang said: " "We do not make trouble. We do not create trouble. But we are not afraid of trouble." what do they think they are doing??? :brrt:

everything they say is the opposite of what they do. they really are crazy. crazy means trouble usually :scared:

and seems theyre threathening everybody. they should be spanked! :sniper:
IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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China's "Peaceful Rise" and the South China Sea
By Shannon Tiezzi
May 17, 2014


From official Chinese remarks (made not only by Fang but also by the Chinese Foreign Ministry), it's abundantly clear that Beijing see no contradiction between its activities in the South China Sea and China's "peaceful rise." On the current spat with Vietnam, for example, Beijing has asserted that it is well within its rights to drill in the region near the Paracels, and blames Vietnam for the maritime clashes that ensued. In fact, in Beijing, all the maritime disputes in the East and South China Seas are viewed through this lens: China's territorial claims are undeniable and absolute, and other countries are causing the trouble by trying to infringe on China’s territories.

China has always been crystal clear that there are limits to its peaceful intentions: China will not rule out the use of force or coercion where matters of its territorial integrity are at stake.

Many of China's neighbors, including Vietnam, the Philippines, and Japan, would disagree. This is a serious problem for Beijing, as talk of China's "peaceful rise" is most useful when accepted by foreign audiences. However, China generally frames its "peaceful rise" as an overt comparison to the legacy of colonialism and imperialism. By promising a "peaceful rise," China is, in effect, promising not to use force to expand its territory - but this promise has no bearing on the areas China already claims.

Thus China's "peaceful rise" should not be read as a promise to compromise on issues such as the South China Sea.

In other words, the "won't give an inch" narrative is seen as reflective of Beijing's intentions, while the rhetoric of a "peaceful rise" is dismissed as a facade.



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I think China will do something brilliant in the coming months... The President, AFP and DFA better be ready.
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in short, the peaceful rise of china is only peaceful when everybody follows them. when someone doesnt, thats when it gets un-peaceful

how closer to tyranny can you get??? :brrt:
IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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A Leviathan Turns Philippine Fishermen Into Desperate Darters - The New York Times
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Philippines' Aquino says China violates informal code on sea
By Manuel Mogato
Reuters - 6 hours ago


MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine President Benigno Aquino accused China on Monday of violating a 12-year-old informal code of conduct in the South China Sea with land reclamation work in a disputed shoal.


"In our view, what they are doing there now is in violation of what we had agreed in the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea. The problem is this code is not binding, not enforceable, so we need to come up with a formal code of conduct to resolve the dispute and prevent any potential conflict."

- Philippine President Benigno Aquino III


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I was hoping to hear: "To hell with the DOC... We can play the 'game' too!" :rifle:


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Magnetic Rocks: Assessing China's Legal Strategy in the South China Sea
Sean Mirski
May 19, 2014

Beijing's goal: to sustain regional peace and stability while also advancing its expansive claims. Can it succeed?



The Horns of China's Dilemma

- China's strategic interests often work at cross-purposes. In short, China could try to resolve the dispute through either compromise or aggression, but neither is an appealing option.

- So instead of trying to resolve the conflict, Beijing has hedged and adopted a strategy of delay. A delaying strategy also plays to China's greatest strength: its expanding power and long-run growth trajectory. Why should China try to resolve the conflict now when its negotiating position improves every fiscal quarter?


China's Legal Strategy in the South China Sea Dispute

- For the best example of the delaying strategy at work, look no further than China's legal strategy. This strategy is a carefully crafted mix of substantive legal claims and negotiating tactics, all aimed at preserving the status quo while maintaining maximum flexibility in the future.

- China has embraced ambiguity as a key pillar of its legal strategy. Even today - after several decades of controversy - the scope of China's claims remains unclear.

- It seems clear enough that China claims title to all the islands that fall within the expansive boundaries of the nine-dash line. Less clear, however, is whether it also lays claim to all the waters encircled by the line.

- To do so would be a blatant violation of China's international obligations. Under customary international law, states are bound by the principle of "la terre domine la mer" (the land dominates the sea), or the idea that sovereignty over waters flows from sovereignty to nearby land, and not the reverse. In line with this principle, the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) permits nations to control domestic waters extending only a certain distance from their sovereign territory. Even under the most charitable reading of UNCLOS, Beijing could not lawfully claim control over much of the water enclosed by the nine-dash line.

- The nine-dash line creates the legal space for more expansive interpretations of China's claims in the future, but it does not necessarily call for them now. As a result, China maintains flexibility in the long run while avoiding the short-term costs of advancing unrealistic claims.


The Increasing Irrelevance of China's Legal Strategy

- For many years, China's reactive posture served it well. Vietnam and the Philippines - realized that they were at the losing end of China's delaying strategy. If they played on China's terms, they would continue to forfeit leverage. So they changed the rules of the game.


- The Philippines and Vietnam - have perfected a new but incredibly risky strategy: throwing China onto the horns of its own dilemma.

- On January 22, 2013, the Philippines initiated an arbitration process over China's claims under the auspices of UNCLOS. At some level, the case seems marginal. China has refused to participate, so the case could easily be thrown out for lack of jurisdiction. But even if the tribunal reaches the merits, and even if it rules in Manila's favor, then Beijing can just ignore the decision and wait until the wave of international criticism passes. Any result will be effectively unenforceable.

-Yet despite the case's practical insignificance, China has been frantically - and unsuccessfully - trying to stop it from proceeding. In January 2014, Beijing reached new levels of desperation, and allegedly offered to withdraw its ships from Scarborough Shoal if the Philippines would delay filing its memorial in the case. China was willing to give up control of territory over which it claims sovereignty just to avoid a bit of bad publicity.


- So while China won the battle for Scarborough Shoal, it may have lost the war, all because Manila was able to find something that Beijing valued even more than the territory: its reputation for complying with international law.

- To China, its reputation is intimately connected to its long-term growth strategy, and the country cannot afford to advertise its total non-compliance with international law.

- Every time China effectively deters one type of provocation, it only incentivizes parties to escalate through another. As a result, China is being consistently impaled on both horns of its dilemma: its long-term growth strategy is increasingly jeopardized even as it confronts mounting threats to its territorial claims.

- At some point, Beijing may find that it must bite the bullet and choose between two extremely unpalatable options: escalating the dispute into an open naval conflict and watching the region unravel, or conceding strategically valuable territory - as Beijing may have offered to do four months ago - and facing potential domestic unrest at home.

- China will do all it can to defer this choice, but sooner or later, it may have to decide.



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Edited by Hong Nam, May 20 2014, 02:45 AM.

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Filipino hackers attack Chinese websites
By Kim Arveen Patria
Yahoo Southeast Asia Newsroom - 8 hours ago


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A group of Filipino hackers late Monday crippled Chinese government and commercial Web sites in protest of Beijing's moves in the West Philippine Sea. Almost 200 websites have been defaced in the attack for which Anonymous Philippines has claimed responsibility. Many of them remained down Tuesday.



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