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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,174 Views)
fernandez705
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Feb 28 2014, 04:04 AM
Hong Nam
Feb 25 2014, 12:35 AM

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepVery true!

Vietnam coast guard ship hit China Marine Surveillance vessels - video link

Or you can temporarily paint a few of these white: PS-19, PS-20, PS-22, PS-28, PS-31 and PS-32 for that very purpose.

Yes, some years back , I recall that not all of these PCE class ships were ready for sea or just sitting in dock,. not sure if they have been scrapped. otherwise, just transfer them to the PCG so they can be painted white.... or have the PCG ask the USCG for their older WMECs(medium class cutters) if they are available. I also seem to vaguely recall that the 2 PN's WHECs will replace the PN's 2 AUK-class ships(not sure), if thats the case, then transfer the 2 AUKs together with some PCEs to the PCG for ramming/bumping purposes

Yes i supose its at least better than firing munitions at them, also hose pipes for the use of suppresion, repulsion against any vessel, we dont want that incident to happen again
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Let's see if Manila can count on Kuala Lumpur's help in making a case against China:

Interaksyon

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Malaysia, PH agree on peaceful settlement of maritime disputes

By: Philippines News Agency with Xinhua and Bernama | InterAksyon.com
February 28, 2014 6:45 PM

PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia - Philippine President Benigno Aquino III said here Friday that Malaysia and the Philippines agreed on the peaceful settlement of disputes in the South China Sea (West Philippine Sea) in accordance with the rule of law and United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

He made the remarks at a joint press conference with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, adding that both countries believed their potential to prosper could only be fully realized in the international context where the rule of law was upheld.

"We believe that adherence to the rule of law, positive engagement and sincere dialogue are fundamental if we are to build a truly prosperous and peaceful Southeast Asia, where no one is left behind," he said.

His remarks came on the heels of a Philippine protest to Beijing over the Chinese Coast Guard’s use of water cannons on Filipino fishermen in Panatag Shoal, an area within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone.

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Edited by MSantor, Mar 1 2014, 05:03 AM.
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regarding to the ukrane crisis this was the highlight of my day

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On March 2, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Qin Gang stated that China condemned the recent extremist violence in the country and urged all parties to resolve their internal disputes peacefully. China has always followed the principle of non-interference in internal affairs, and respected Ukraine's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. He urged all sides to find a solution through dialogue on the basis of international law and the norms governing international relations.


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regarding to the ukrane crisis this was the highlight of my day

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On March 2, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Qin Gang stated that China condemned the recent extremist violence in the country and urged all parties to resolve their internal disputes peacefully. China has always followed the principle of non-interference in internal affairs, and respected Ukraine's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. He urged all sides to find a solution through dialogue on the basis of international law and the norms governing international relations.


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Actually, China seems to be agreeing with Russia's move. Although their official statement is not so clear what their position is. But this article sums it up.

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^ive also read news about that too, but i think their just trying to be neutral for now because if they publicly sided russia then thats more scrutiny to them. i think their just waiting and watching what the US will do and it will affect the situation in the wps
Edited by fernandez705, Mar 4 2014, 07:05 AM.
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^Definitely it will affect situation in WPS.

We'll never know until something happens? It all depends on how desperate and serious Russia is on re-taking strategic parts of Ukraine or all of it for their interests...

Let's hope that it's not going to be like China- "I'll support you all the way, if you can do the same for me in the ECS/ SCS-WPS." :dunno:

To be honest, if Russia successfully takes total control of Ukraine without any Military Intervention from the EU or NATO, the US and it's other Allies, it would be a disaster, a very bad precedent to China, NK, Iran and other Rogue States..
It can/will totally put a BiG question on the US reputation with regards to defense treaties with all of it' Allies around the World.



Edited by Andres Boning, Mar 5 2014, 06:33 AM.
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I can imagine them invading the wps especially pagasa without firing a shot similar to what the russians are doing to the ukranian bases, this will allow them to invade but may not cause the mdt to take affect.
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Yes, they can copy ala Russian style move in WPS, but it would be a brilliant move for them (China) as well, because unlike Ukraine, there are NO Chinese citizens inside PH controlled Islands.. The real bad precedent here is if the US doesn't do anything bold and firm to make Russia to back off or to stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine which technically has MDT with the US and UK, a signed agreement during Pres. Clinton's Administration regarding conditions on their Nuke disarmament.

For Russia- undercover Invasion
For China (on WPS) a real Invasion

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Mar 5 2014, 07:22 AM
Yes, they can copy ala Russian style move in WPS, but it would be a brilliant move for them (China) as well, because unlike Ukraine, there are NO Chinese citizens inside PH controlled Islands.. The real bad precedent here is if the US doesn't do anything bold and firm to make Russia to back off or to stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine which technically has MDT with the US and UK, a signed agreement during Pres. Clinton's Administration regarding conditions on their Nuke disarmament.

For Russia- undercover Invasion
For China (on WPS) a real Invasion

If they are going to do it , one of the best time is now. Obama is befuddled.
Edited by Taz_1, Mar 5 2014, 08:40 AM.
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Mar 5 2014, 06:35 AM
I can imagine them invading the wps especially pagasa without firing a shot similar to what the russians are doing to the ukranian bases, this will allow them to invade but may not cause the mdt to take affect.
If the tensions in the WPS escalate , the Chinese could , just like the Russians , under the pretext/prediction that Chinese fishermen are under threat by garrisons on Pagasa or other shoals , initiate Naval blockades on these islands and shoals. WPS airspace will be closed.

Shots won't be fired , but any supplies or reinforcements to these garrisons will be cut off. They will be asked to lay down their arms and surrender.

The AFP , which is simply no match for the PLAN, PAF , could not respond or they will be considered as the provocative side.

Considering the EU nations cant even agree on sanctions over the Crimean Crisis because of the dependency on Russia for gas and trade , it is likely that the Europeans wouldn't dare risk trade relations with the Chinese.

Similar for the US. Moreover the MDT does not specifically cover shoals in the WPS. How it is interpreted depends on which US administration is in office. God forbid a Ron Paul - like president winning the election. Because this will be ''Philippines' war , not our war''.

Then you will have other countries who will sit back , with their governments and public holding a more ''objective view'' . Afterall , the Chinese flimsy pretext for the naval blockades might have some justification.

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This Crimean crisis serves a warning to the AFP . If China plays it well , plays it smart, you are most likely on your own in the WPS.
Edited by Uruzu, Mar 5 2014, 09:52 AM.
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