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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,175 Views)
icefrog
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Strong words indeed. I have apprehensions but I am slightly in favor of it.
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Uruzu
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Respond militarily doesn't necessarily mean opening fire.

Having PF-15/PF-16 or PCG vessels escorting fishing vessels is a also viable option.
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fernandez705
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A military response is foolhardy. Likelyhood of the US to help may reduce as we started it militarily.
If by force they mean to open fire i would say a nono to the military. It will be a bad image for the military to strike on a civ organisation. As said before were falling into a trap patience and discipline let them fire the 1st shot. If using force then counter their coastguard with our coastguard.

A confrontation should be the last resort, give them the bad publicity, let us win our allies heart
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Hong Nam
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Uruzu
Feb 24 2014, 11:57 PM
Respond militarily doesn't necessarily mean opening fire.

Having PF-15/PF-16 or PCG vessels escorting fishing vessels is a also viable option.
Very true!

Vietnam coast guard ship hit China Marine Surveillance vessels - video link

Or you can temporarily paint a few of these white: PS-19, PS-20, PS-22, PS-28, PS-31 and PS-32 for that very purpose.


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^Repainted Navy ships is a good idea. And these guys think so too :armywink:

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The 101-meter ship, with a displacement of 4,950 tons, is the largest fishery patrol vessel in the fishery fleet patrolling the South China Sea. ...

The bureau said the ship was converted from the Dongyou 621 of the East China Sea Fleet of the Chinese People's Liberation Army navy. ...

"The vessel is equipped with a water cannon to protect our fishermen and prevent illegal incursions," he added.

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China coast guard fired water cannon at Pinoy fishermen on Panatag Shoal - AFP

By: Agence France-Presse
February 24, 2014 3:38 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines' military chief on Monday accused China's coast guard of firing water cannon at Filipino fishermen for the first time to drive them away from a disputed sea shoal.

General Emmanuel Bautista said Chinese vessels fired cannon on January 27 near Scarborough Shoal -- the subject of a bitter territorial row in the strategically important South China Sea.

"The Chinese coast guard tried to drive away Filipino fishing vessels to the extent of using water cannon," Bautista told a forum of the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines.

He did not say if anyone was hurt and added that China continues to maintain an armed coast guard and other vessels at the shoal.

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Indonesia suggests Philippine-Asean synergy on S. China Sea
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Publication Date : 25-02-2014


"We have just renewed our commitment that territorial disputes in the South China Sea, or what the Philippines calls the West Philippine Sea, be resolved through peaceful, diplomatic means, or in the case of the Philippines, through the tribunal processes that they have engaged in. Whatever the choice of avenue, the most important point is that this must be resolved by peaceful means not by others that are not peaceful. What I have highlighted is that legal efforts and political diplomacy must be synergized. We don’t want to see one as counterproductive to the other." - Marty Natalegawa, Indonesian Foreign Minister



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Feb 26 2014, 04:40 PM
PH to proceed with case vs China
by Willard Cheng, ABS-CBN News
02/26/2014 2:51 PM

Memorial for ITLOS being prepared, says Valte

MANILA - The Philippines will go ahead and file its memorial or written arguments before the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) in a bid to bolster its case against China’s sweeping nine-dash claim over the South China Sea (West Philippine Sea).

Now, the memorial is being prepared. We have a deadline; we are ready to meet the deadline and everything to bolster the government’s case, of course, will be contained in the memorial,” deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte.

She said she has no information on reports that China has offered incentives in exchange for not proceeding with the case.

She said the Philippines is ready to argue its case.

Even before the resolution of the dispute, Malacañang said the Philippines has already made a “solid case” before the court of international opinion.


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Why China Isn't Interested in a South China Sea Code of Conduct
By Shannon Tiezzi
February 26, 2014


A South China Sea code of conduct would threaten Beijing's interests - so don't expect much progress in negotiations.

China has resisted coming into to negotiations with a sample draft, and from Indonesia's proposal it's not hard to see why. China's navy routinely conducts exercises in disputed regions, and the Chinese Coast Guard also patrols the water as a way of asserting Chinese control. If a code of conduct would outlaw such activities, it's hard to imagine why China would sign on to it.

China wants the U.S. excluded from regional conversations, and will not move forward on a code of conduct until the U.S. butts out.

Consensus will be difficult to forge, but no ASEAN member state would recommend moving forward on a code of conduct without it. Since the U.S. has repeatedly stated it has an interest in the peaceful resolution of the South China Sea disputes, such 'interference' is unlikely to go away anytime soon. The U.S. will continue to voice its support for a code of conduct, which China will interpret as unwanted interference. U.S. involvement in the process allows some in China to deny that ASEAN itself is interested in a code of conduct, and which provides an excuse for Beijing to drag its feet on the process.

China loses little and gains much by stalling the code of conduct talks - or at least making sure the final version is so watered down as to be essentially meaningless.


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Hong Nam
Feb 25 2014, 12:35 AM
Uruzu
Feb 24 2014, 11:57 PM
Respond militarily doesn't necessarily mean opening fire.

Having PF-15/PF-16 or PCG vessels escorting fishing vessels is a also viable option.
Very true!

Vietnam coast guard ship hit China Marine Surveillance vessels - video link

Or you can temporarily paint a few of these white: PS-19, PS-20, PS-22, PS-28, PS-31 and PS-32 for that very purpose.

Yes, some years back , I recall that not all of these PCE class ships were ready for sea or just sitting in dock,. not sure if they have been scrapped. otherwise, just transfer them to the PCG so they can be painted white.... or have the PCG ask the USCG for their older WMECs(medium class cutters) if they are available. I also seem to vaguely recall that the 2 PN's WHECs will replace the PN's 2 AUK-class ships(not sure), if thats the case, then transfer the 2 AUKs together with some PCEs to the PCG for ramming/bumping purposes

Edited by pachador, Feb 28 2014, 04:59 AM.
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