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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,177 Views)
Ayoshi
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Why is China Isolating Japan and the Philippines?
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This is generally in line with a “divide-and-conquer” strategy. Nevertheless, it raises the obvious question of why Chinese leaders have decided to retain tensions with the Philippines and Japan while improving them with other countries, even those it maintains territorial disputes with such as Vietnam and India.

There are a number of possibilities. With regards to Japan at least, Chinese scholars have noted that Beijing views the outstanding dispute over the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands as qualitatively different from its other territorial disputes. As Fudan University’s Shen Dingli has explained, “For the East China Sea, it is more political. China considers we have been invaded by Japan, and Japan has stolen our island. But for South China Sea, it’s largely about economics.” Still, this can only explain why China has targeted Japan, not the Philippines.

Another possibility is that China has decided to target Japan and the Philippines because they are treaty allies of the United States. Leaders in Beijing may therefore calculate that China has less to lose by clashing with Manila and Tokyo because they are already firmly in America’s camp. By contrast, antagonizing countries like Vietnam and India risks pushing them into the U.S. camp, as has indeed been happening.

source: thediplomat.com
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Oct 29 2013, 03:24 PM
Why is China Isolating Japan and the Philippines?
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This is generally in line with a “divide-and-conquer” strategy. Nevertheless, it raises the obvious question of why Chinese leaders have decided to retain tensions with the Philippines and Japan while improving them with other countries, even those it maintains territorial disputes with such as Vietnam and India.

There are a number of possibilities. With regards to Japan at least, Chinese scholars have noted that Beijing views the outstanding dispute over the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands as qualitatively different from its other territorial disputes. As Fudan University’s Shen Dingli has explained, “For the East China Sea, it is more political. China considers we have been invaded by Japan, and Japan has stolen our island. But for South China Sea, it’s largely about economics.” Still, this can only explain why China has targeted Japan, not the Philippines.

Another possibility is that China has decided to target Japan and the Philippines because they are treaty allies of the United States. Leaders in Beijing may therefore calculate that China has less to lose by clashing with Manila and Tokyo because they are already firmly in America’s camp. By contrast, antagonizing countries like Vietnam and India risks pushing them into the U.S. camp, as has indeed been happening.

source: thediplomat.com
the author of this article is just beating around the bush for the most part. the reason the bully is browbeating the philippines and japan is simply because they have territorial disputes with the bully. this author is reading too much into it.

and the only reason the bully is not confronting US and india yet is simply because its too costly to confront those 2 giants. the bully is just biding its time -wait to get stronger before confronting them.

between japan and india, the bully thinks that japan is easier to push even though the japanese have a very strong navy/air force due to the heavy japanese investments in bullyland and also spitting at the japanese is politically popular among the bully people.

as for other countries like thailand, they have no backbone-they have shown that in world war 2 and they would rather wheel and deal than stand up for principles. thats why as , we shouldnt try to finagle some kind of security alliance out of ASEAN. , as they just bend with the wind. in world war 2, we were the only ASEAN country that had widespread violent resistance -remember that !

too many authors and spinmasters nowadays are politicizing or overanalyzing this issue. at the very core is is a territorial and sovereignty issue, and we need to focus on that.

we just need to depend on ourselves and do what is right and protect our sovereignty as embodied in the constitution....otherwise, if we are not ready to die, we have no business being an independent country if we give up our rights as legally allowed under international law...

any help from allies is just a much-appreciated bonus.

Edited by pachador, Oct 30 2013, 03:37 AM.
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Bought by China

Military starts deployment of troops in Spratlys
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) | Updated January 5, 2014 - 12:00am



MANILA, Philippines - The military yesterday started its rotation of Air Force and naval contingents for deployments in Pag-Asa Island in the Spratlys.

Originally scheduled before Christmas, the airmen were not immediately relieved by their counterparts at Armed Forces of the Philippines-Western Command (AFP-Wescom) headquarters in Palawan due to the prevailing weather system hovering over the region for the entire month of December.

Kalayaan Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon Jr. confirmed the deployment of fresh troops in the island municipality.

Since the sea around the island is very rough, Wescom has started shuttling new Air Force troops to the island town using a Navy plane, giving the islanders a chance to visit Palawan aboard the returning Navy aircraft.

Aside from the airmen who are deployed on rotation basis in Pag-Asa Island, the seat of Kalayaan Island town with a current population of almost 200 civilian inhabitants including children, contingents from the Philippine Navy are also stationed in the area to bolster the country’s territorial hold over the seven islets and two shoals in the region.

“We don’t monitor any naval activities of China out there because of the prevailing weather. The sea is very rough and it is very dangerous for any ship to venture out in the open sea for now,” Bito-onon said.

He added that he has yet to receive reports from local fishermen if the two Chinese maritime vessels have returned to Ayungin Shoal. The vessels left the area last month after taking up position near the shoal for several months.



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DND: China harassing Philippines, not vice versa (philstar.com)
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MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines is not the one escalating tensions over the contested sea even as President Benigno Aquino III likened China with Nazi Germany, the Department of National Defense (DND) said.
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"Based on previous occurrences, it is clear that the Philippines has been the object of harassment," DND said.

The country also has the responsibility to serve its national interests by opposing "aggressive and expansionist behavior" such as that exhibited by China in insisting on its nine-dash line sovereignty over the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

"The Philippines is not only serving its national interests, but also serving the region’s as well, including all states which have a stake in freedom of navigation and clear territorial rights as defined under the principles of UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea)," DND said.

Edited by Ayoshi, Feb 12 2014, 07:43 AM.
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Bought by China

For South China Sea claimants, a legal venue to battle China
By Greg Torode
7 hours ago


HONG KONG (Reuters) - When Philippine President Benigno Aquino compared China to the Germany of 1938 and called for global support as his country battles Beijing's claims in the South China Sea, he put the focus on a case that Manila has filed in an international court.

The Philippines has taken its dispute with China to arbitration under the United Nations' Convention on the Law of the Sea and its lawyers say that the tribunal has discretionary powers to allow other states to join the action.

China is refusing to participate and has already warned Vietnam against joining the case being heard at the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague, sources have said. Hanoi has so far kept its options open.

Any final ruling by the court on the dispute, one of the most tense flashpoints in Asia, cannot be enforced but will carry considerable moral and political weight, analysts say.

Other Vietnamese officials said while it was unlikely Hanoi would join the case given its close but complex relationship with China, they were scrutinizing developments closely, including talking to foreign legal experts.

"We are willing to maintain close touch with Vietnam and co-ordinate with them, to resolve the issue via friendly talks and consultation."

Manila's five U.S. and British lawyers are finalizing submissions to be put to the court before a March 30 deadline to show that China's "nine-dash line" claim is invalid under the Law of the Sea.

Philippines' lead counsel Paul Reichler, a Washington-based lawyer with the law firm Foley Hoag, said the arbitration tribunal had adopted rules that effectively allowed other states to apply to intervene.



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Gov't urged to prepare for 'worst' in sea row with China
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MANILA, Philippines - A national security observer urged the government to prepare for China's possible "punitive action" against the Philippines as it pursues a United Nations arbitration on the South China Sea dispute.

Rafael Alunan III, former Interior Secretary under the Ramos administration, said in a statement shared with Philstar.com that the government should work on a strategy in case the Asian giant cuts off its economic ties from the country and sabotages infrastructure.

"China has threatened sanctions in case we file our memorial on March 31... The worst case scenario would be the escalation of crippling economic sanctions," Alunan said.

The Aquino administration had said it has exhausted all peaceful means to settle the dispute, with the arbitration as a final resort.

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Besides economic penalties, Manila may potentially have to deal with the Chinese's intensified access in the contested maritime region including reefs and shoals currently controlled by the Philippines, he said.

Alunan also warned of a potential "irregular warfare" such as the sabotage of the Philippines' most vulnerable sides--command and control systems, information structures and critical infrastructures such as telecommunications and even water.

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Alunan said government agencies along with the police force and the military should consider drafting a national security plan in the face of China's "growing long-term threat to global security."

"Defending ourselves rests primarily on our own will and skill to stitch and viable national security plan and strategies," Alunan, a Harvard graduate, said.

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Alunan, a member of Former Senior Government Officials political group, said that besides coast guard vessels, China has been using its "fishing fleets" in the disputed waters as the Philippines does not have counterpart vessels.

"If we don't have the appropriate defenses there, China would have won the war it is already waging without firing a shot," he said.

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Alunan said that the country's Mutual Defense Treaty with the US does not cover security protocols to deal with Chinese's fishing vessels' presence within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

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The country, moreover, should not fully depend on the US and assume that it will take its allies side.

"If our allies see that we are prepared to defend ourselves by all justifiable means necessary, then they will help us all the way," Alunan explained.

American President Barack Obama had condemned Chinese "bullying" in the region but maintained that the US is neutral on the sea row.
Edited by Pninety8, Feb 19 2014, 01:48 PM.
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^exactly, some of these people rely heavily to much on the MDT the way i see it. if we pretend its not there then we would be more agressive in our mod prog.
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haha, they are proud to be supposedly 'independent' but they expect uncle sam to do the defending. thats being dependent not independent.
this extends to the daily personal lives of many filipinos who 'expect' relatives to come to their aid always even for little things. , and when on those few occasions when a relative does not help, he is condemned while forgetting the many times a relative has helped. what a shameful beggar attitude.
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Feb 20 2014, 02:44 AM
^exactly, some of these people rely heavily to much on the MDT the way i see it. if we pretend its not there then we would be more agressive in our mod prog.
Well atleast your post make sense now unlike before where you would always push for the word "ask, beg, freebies and other incentives".

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Feb 20 2014, 03:31 PM
fernandez705
Feb 20 2014, 02:44 AM
^exactly, some of these people rely heavily to much on the MDT the way i see it. if we pretend its not there then we would be more agressive in our mod prog.
Well atleast your post make sense now unlike before where you would always push for the word "ask, beg, freebies and other incentives".

:banana:
One thing we have to get rid. But as for the other thing, i apologise for not choosing the right word, if the yankees are staying in our house we need to get compensation, hence the rent, why i choose free gear as rent both new + old? Well its better than getting it by cash and being stolen by the pigs.

the vfa renting thing is separate to the heavy reliance on uncle sam to defend us.

Hope that eases your understanding
Edited by fernandez705, Feb 20 2014, 08:25 PM.
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