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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,186 Views)
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Hong Nam
Jun 2 2013, 09:51 PM
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U.S. won't tolerate changed status quo in Senkakus, South China Sea
June 1, 2013


The United States warned Saturday it will not tolerate attempts by any country to change the status quo in the Japanese-administered Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea and islands claimed by some Southeast Asian countries and Taiwan in the South China Sea.

“The United States stands firmly against any coercive attempts to alter the status quo,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a speech at the Asia Security Summit in Singapore, an apparent reference to China’s recent assertiveness over the Senkakus and disputed islands in the South China Sea such as the Spratlys.

http://globalbalita.com/2013/06/01/u-s-wont-tolerate-changed-status-quo-in-senkakus-s-china-sea/

Now that pretty much covers it. Strongest statement from the "yanquis" that I've heard so far and it's good news. I think they just bought you some more time. :thumbsup:



It will be met with a similarly strong statement from China a few days or weeks from now. All this rhetoric is crucial in our overall strategy. (pardon the cliche)
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Jun 2 2013, 10:18 PM
It will be met with a similarly strong statement from China a few days or weeks from now. All this rhetoric is crucial in our overall strategy. (pardon the cliche)
Of course! China will not disappoint. They will have to "save face". But the statement will first come from "unofficial" sources like those "military has beens". Then the almighty government will check the public's "pulse" and gauge whether to say something or not. I wouldn't be surprised to hear in a few weeks that there will be a de-escalation of Naval forces (pertaining to the reports/rumours of PLA Navy ships) in the WPS. Perhaps to be replaced by Chinese Maritime Surveillance ships.

Then all this talk about "CABBAGES" will simmer down temporarily, only to be brought up in the future.

But it will get them to start thinking if this is just a bluff from the US. That in itself will buy you time, and we all know that time is what you need the most.

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Recently the Pentagon is starting to opening talk about the issue of Chinese espionage. Plus the increasingly frequent , and increasingly large scale military exercises (Island recapture drills) , with Japan.

And this statement. All of this seems to suggest the US is finally take a strong stance against China's attempts to destabilize the region.



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China Spurns Sea-Claim Arbitration Pushed by U.S. and Allies
By Daniel Ten Kate
2013-06-02



China dismissed calls for arbitration to resolve disputes after the U.S. and Japan vowed to resist attempts to seize contested territory by force, signaling further tensions in Asian waters vital to world trade.

Qi Jianguo, deputy chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, sought to reassure neighbors of China's peaceful intentions while affirming sovereignty in areas of the East China Sea and South China Sea. He said a maritime dispute with the Philippines could be solved through "open-minded channels" rather than the United Nations.

"We don't see any necessity to resort to an international tribunal," Qi told the Shangri-La Dialogue security forum in Singapore today. Patrols by Chinese warships and surveillance vessels "within our own territory" are "totally legitimate and uncontroversial," he said.

Philippine Defense Minister Voltaire Gazmin, who sat on the same panel as Qi, said he hoped the UN arbitration panel would direct China to "desist from undertaking unlawful acts that violate our territorial rights." The Philippines and Vietnam reject China's map of the South China Sea as a basis for joint oil and gas exploration.

"Arbitration is a friendly and peaceful mechanism," Gazmin said. "We hope that there will be no adverse effects on our trade relations with China."

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told the Shangri-La Dialogue security forum in Singapore yesterday that the U.S. "stands firmly against any coercive attempts to alter the status quo" in disputed waters. He also sought to reassure China that moves by the U.S. to shift military resources to Asia didn't amount to a containment policy.

Japan, a U.S. ally, boosted defense spending for the first time in 11 years to defend its territory in an "increasingly severe security environment," Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera told the forum yesterday. He said Japan, while committed to pacifism, may create a National Security Council and wants to establish a regional body at the "earliest possible timing" to prevent crises over incidents at sea.

"We sometimes hear criticism that Japan is abandoning its identity as a 'peace-loving nation' and is attempting to challenge the existing international order," Onodera said. "These views are a total misperception. The aim of the aforementioned initiatives is to enable Japan to make a more proactive and creative contribution toward regional stability."

Hagel sought to reassure Asian allies yesterday that budget reductions won't derail U.S. commitment to their security. A year after the Pentagon said it would "rebalance" its strategy to focus more on the region after a decade of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Defense Department faces as much as $500 billion in cuts over the next nine years as part of a deficit-reduction law.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-02/china-spurns-sea-claim-arbitration-pushed-by-u-s-and-allies.html?cmpid=yhoo


"A maritime dispute with the Philippines could be solved through 'open-minded channels' rather than the United Nations." - Qi Jianguo

"We don't see any necessity to resort to an international tribunal."
- Qi Jianguo


Hypocrisy at it's best!
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Jun 3 2013, 01:00 AM

"A maritime dispute with the Philippines could be solved through 'open-minded channels' rather than the United Nations." - Qi Jianguo

"We don't see any necessity to resort to an international tribunal."
- Qi Jianguo


Hypocrisy at it's best!
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and it's dripping with molten irony...
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"totally legitimate and uncontroversial," - what are these generals smoking? They are worse than drug addicts! Total denial!...........Ah the mind of a Commie!
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China And The Biggest Territory Grab Since World War II
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Yesterday, the New York Times reported that China’s mapping authority, Sinomaps Press, issued a new map of the country showing 80% of the South China Sea as internal Chinese water.

What’s at issue? Each year, more than half of the world’s annual merchant tonnage passes through the South China Sea as well as a third of the global trade in crude oil and over half of LNG trade.

Moreover, in that same month Xinhua was even clearer when it asserted that the islands in the South China Sea “and surrounding waters” were “part of China’s core interests.” By using “core interests,” Beijing was signaling it could never compromise China’s sovereignty over either the islands or those waters.

In any event, Beijing’s new map, according to those who have seen it, removes any ambiguity by converting the dashes into a national boundary. All islands and waters inside the line, therefore, are China’s, at least according to the Chinese. It is the biggest attempted grab of territory since World War II.

The new map will roil Asian nations, of course. Last year, Beijing used force to seize Philippine territory, Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea. The United States, despite its treaty obligations to defend the Philippines, let the Chinese take what they wanted. Nobody in the White House wanted to confront China, and there were voices in the Pentagon saying that China’s aggression served the Philippines right for kicking American forces out of the Clark and Subic bases. Now, the Chinese are going after Ayungin Shoal, long considered Philippine territory.

The ongoing seizure of pieces of the Philippines is an indirect challenge to America. Now, however, the issuance of the new map means Beijing has taken on Washington directly. If there has been any consistent American foreign policy over the course of two centuries, it has been the defense of freedom of navigation.

Yet on the Beijing’s sea claims there can be no compromise. Either the South China Sea is Chinese or it is international water. The stakes—for China, for the United States, for the international community—are hard to overstate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/06/02/china-and-the-biggest-territory-grab-since-world-war-ii/

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On the eve of the 115th Philippine Independence Day, activists gather in front of the Chinese Consulate in Makati City on Tuesday to protest Chinese incursion in PHL territorial waters. The protesters condemned China's bullying in the West Philippine Sea. Emil Sumangil/GMA News
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Fil-Am groups to protest China 'invasion' of Ayungin at UN
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Leaders of organizer US Pinoys for Good Governance (USP4GG) noted that China was using the same maneuvers at Ayungin as it did in 1995-1996 when it built supposed “fishermen’s shelters” at Mischief Reef, and the ended up occupying the Philippine-held territory with a garrison to boot.

Ayungin is located just 105 nautical miles from Palawan. “China seized the Philippines’ Mischief Reef in 1994, then our Scarborough Shoal last year,” noted Loida Nicolas Lewis, the national chair of USP4GG and former national chair of the National Federation of Filipino American Associations (NaFFAA). “This year, China is set to invade and occupy the Ayungin Reef. This is unacceptable!”

Rep. Walden Bello of the Akbayan partylist announced that his group will join the July 24 mass action that will be planned for the Philippines and will encourage its supporters throughout the world to join in global actions to denounce the Sansha prefecture and its provocative actions in the Ayungin Reef.


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dont worry, we are having an exercise with the kano only 20 miles from panatag. This is the beginnings of a show of force. Boom !

June 18, 2013
Scarborough, South China Sea: Phl, US troops to hold drills near Panatag By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) | Updated June 19, 2013

MANILA, Philippines - Naval forces of the Philippines and the United States are set to conduct joint exercises next week in the waters of Zambales near Panatag Shoal, an area claimed by the Philippines which Chinese ships have occupied.
“Next week’s joint naval exercises will be just 20 nautical miles from Panatag Shoal,” a senior security official who declined to be named said.
The Philippine Navy is sending the BRP Gregorio del Pilar along with smaller ships to the joint naval maneuver called Cooperation Afloat Readiness Training or CARAT. Philippine Coast Guard vessels will also join CARAT. The naval exercise is from June 27 to July 2.
The joint exercise will involve amphibious landing as well as humanitarian activities in coastal areas in Northern Luzon.
Panatag Shoal, located just 124 nautical miles off the coast of Zambales, is now under China’s de facto control. Philippine vessels temporarily abandoned the area supposedly to ease tensions with China after a botched arrest of Chinese poachers. Since the departure of Philippine forces, Chinese gunboats and surveillance vessels have been guarding the shoal round-the-clock to keep Filipino fishermen at bay.
Ahead of the CARAT launching, US Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus met yesterday with defense and military officials at Camp Aguinaldo led by Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin, AFP chief Gen. Emmanuel Bautista and Navy chief Vice Admiral Jose Luis Alano.

The meeting reportedly focused on regional security issues and on Philippine-US defense and military relations, the defense department said. Mabus met with the Philippine officials for nearly an hour.
Mabus, accompanied by US Ambassador Harry Thomas, declined to grant media interview after the meeting.
“The representatives from the two departments discussed security issues in the Asia-Pacific region, modernization efforts and the US’s commitment to provide humanitarian assistance in times of disasters and calamities,” a statement from the Department of National Defense said.
The US embassy, meanwhile, said Mabus’ three-day visit was reflective of the importance the US holds for its strong and enduring relationship with the Philippines.
“As we rebalance to the Pacific, our alliance with the Philippines has never been more important than it is today. I look forward to exploring opportunities to work with the Philippine Armed Forces to build greater maritime capacity and increase security and stability in the region,” the US embassy quoted Mabus as describing his visit to the country.
Thomas, when asked if the maritime issue with China was discussed or if the US is ready to aid the Philippines in a confrontation with China, said he does not comment on “hypothetical” scenarios.
“We want to ensure freedom of navigation, no economic coercion and these sea lanes are open and it is important for all of us that that we need to adhere to the code of conduct,” he said.
“We discussed these things on the table. As we have said, we always stand by our treaty commitment. The question is hypothetical and I think nobody wants to go to war. We want peace,” Thomas said.
Edited by pachador, Jun 19 2013, 02:43 AM.
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