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Philippines-China WPS Dispute
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 02:28 PM (105,193 Views)
AZKALS
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Philippines Sea Patrols to Check on China Naval Exercises

http://www.asianewsnet.net/Philippine-sea-patrols-to-check-on-China-naval-exe-44378.html

Publication Date : 22-03-2013

Philippine naval security forces are set to conduct “sovereignty patrols” in the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) to check on possible intrusions by Chinese vessels conducting naval exercises within the country’s maritime boundaries, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said yesterday.

DFA spokesman Assistant Secretary Raul Hernandez said the Philippine Navy and Philippine Coast Guard were sailing to waters in disputed areas within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and continental shelf to check on the presence of Chinese navy ships.
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Mar 22 2013, 05:15 PM
Philippines Sea Patrols to Check on China Naval Exercises

http://www.asianewsnet.net/Philippine-sea-patrols-to-check-on-China-naval-exe-44378.html

Publication Date : 22-03-2013

Philippine naval security forces are set to conduct “sovereignty patrols” in the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) to check on possible intrusions by Chinese vessels conducting naval exercises within the country’s maritime boundaries, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said yesterday.

DFA spokesman Assistant Secretary Raul Hernandez said the Philippine Navy and Philippine Coast Guard were sailing to waters in disputed areas within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and continental shelf to check on the presence of Chinese navy ships.
Why do they have to check the presence of the Chinese boats in the area? Did the chinese boats left SCS already??? We all know that they keep on entering our EEZ, all we need is to buy armed boats/patrol ships( bago man o luma ASAP) so that their presence is minimized. Takutan lng namn kelangan dyan e. Di takot ang mga intsik maglabas pasok sa ating karagatan kasi ala namn tayong pantakot sa kanila. Kaya mo bang takutin ang isang tao na ang dala ay armalite, at ikaw ay tirador lng??? :dunno:
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why is there a surprise when the chink navy encroaches and build more structure? the toothless brp del pilar is a non-factor for the chink. the paper PN frigates (still in the bidding process and to be constructed) is a non-factor, as well as the long, promised to-be-upgraded jacintos and the dream-stage opvs and missile boats. these are an impressive array of navy platforms still, if only can throw those bid packages and "planned or imagined warships" on to the intruding ships and send them in a frenzied retreat.

oh congress, oh dnd, where is our navy?

while congress counts its centavos, and the dnd looks at charts for less operating maintenance vs. high capital cost, they ignore the urgency. if by any chance, the PN gets into a battle and loses some of its warships you may have ships turning into reef with high capital cost and with supposedly low maintenance cost. and that's after waiting for years until construction is completed and perhaps having lost a great deal of territorial water over the waiting years.

meantime, there are ships like the bremen, soldati and maes classes available with much quicker delivery time. granted that the maes class is being sold for an arm and a leg, i believe their owners can be arm-twisted into selling at a more reasonable price when there are no other takers for those warships. the bremens in fact, are in a state where upgrades may not be needed (or with perhaps just the minimal). That may also hold true for the soldatis as well.

why hold the financial tap to a trickle and pour money into a piggy bank (the foreign reserves)? Isn't congress going to spend for a credible PAF and PN? Why spread the money for 15 years when u need it now?
Edited by wily_pest, Mar 23 2013, 03:28 AM.
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Mar 23 2013, 03:26 AM
why is there a surprise when the chink navy encroaches and build more structure? the toothless brp del pilar is a non-factor for the chink. the paper PN frigates (still in the bidding process and to be constructed) is a non-factor, as well as the long, promised to-be-upgraded jacintos and the dream-stage opvs and missile boats. these are an impressive array of navy platforms still, if only can throw those bid packages and "planned or imagined warships" on to the intruding ships and send them in a frenzied retreat.

oh congress, oh dnd, where is our navy?

while congress counts its centavos, and the dnd looks at charts for less operating maintenance vs. high capital cost, they ignore the urgency. if by any chance, the PN gets into a battle and loses some of its warships you may have ships turning into reef with high capital cost and with supposedly low maintenance cost. and that's after waiting for years until construction is completed and perhaps having lost a great deal of territorial water over the waiting years.

meantime, there are ships like the bremen, soldati and maes classes available with much quicker delivery time. granted that the maes class is being sold for an arm and a leg, i believe their owners can be arm-twisted into selling at a more reasonable price when there are no other takers for those warships. the bremens in fact, are in a state where upgrades may not be needed (or with perhaps just the minimal). That may also hold true for the soldatis as well.

why hold the financial tap to a trickle and pour money into a piggy bank (the foreign reserves)? Isn't congress going to spend for a credible PAF and PN? Why spread the money for 15 years when u need it now?
24%- 27% of our yearly budget just goes to repayments of our debt. Compare to 2% budget of AFP. If we can use our foreign reserve to pay all of our debt right now we can use the 24% to 27% of our yearly budget to modernize our AFP. Secondly if we can just minimize the corruption and only allow the 10% SOP then I guess our yearly budget deficit will be solved. In what I heard if you supply materials or services to in any government agency the price goes up more than five times because of kick back. But problem right now corruption in our government is actually what make our government moving. Remove corrupt politicians, remove corrupt government employees, remove corrupt police and military personnel and what will left is not enough to run our government efficiently and worse its maybe going to collapse.
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paying back debt??????? wow, unheard off at a time like this, when the US, Europe and many countries are on deficit spending! Japan is at 200% deficit, the US is 100% (at $16,000,000,000,000 and counting). The Phil. is living in luxury.

corrupt politicians? what country does not have corrupt politicians. in fact, have u ever heard of corrupt bankers? the usa have those too, big time. if u wait for honest politicians, maybe next century will be a time to check.
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^True honest Politician- only a few maybe..

Nowadays Politicians unfortunately, they are dominated by Liars and Cheaters

The way the present PH Govt is running everything right now, plus having a banana (Sagging) foreign policy, don't expect anything solid.. the real difference will come in 2016 I believe.

Wise Filipino voters are badly needed 2016, for us to be able to see real changes for the Country and the People.

Edited by AVBsupersonic, Mar 24 2013, 01:17 AM.
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thank u for ur input, avb.

balistika, if instead of paying 24-27% for deficit payment, let's say the govt. reduces it to 20%, the growing revenue stream will more than compensate for the full debt payment within the near future.

with the extra $2B +/- thrown into the milt. modernization pot every year (a total of $4B/yr), a lot of milt. assets can be bought within reasonable time.

within the aquino administration for instance:

PN- (circa 2014) 3-del pilars (upgraded as missile frigs), 2-bremens, 3-soldatis, 3-upgraded jancitos, 1-upgraded alvarez, 3 new ssvs, helicopters.
PA- (circa 2014) 4-asm land mobile missile launchers, with sam units, and ancillary truck escorts for palawan, 6- asm..................... for luzon. infantry trucks, tanks, apcs, sam and canon mobile units rifles, rpgs, machine guns for large reserve units of 1 million soldiers.
PAF- 12- FA-50s, plus 24- euro typhooon 1.5 by 2014 or 24 new super hornets by 2016.

orders of new assets, delivery before of after 2016:

PN- 2 inchon frigates from sokor, 6 new opvs or corvettes, 3 new ssvs (mentioned above), 10 new missile boats, 10 new mpac model 90.
PA- trucks, tanks, apcs, sam and canon mobile units rifles, rpgs, machine guns for large reserve units of 1 million soldiers (mentioned above), body armor for all regular troops.
PAF- helicopters, mpas, uavs, sam and auto cannon units for bases.

the next president will add more assets within his administration:

PN- the balance of all ships to form the "desired force mix" including 7- new sokor compact subs and at least 3 used long range subs.
PAF- 24 F-35s or 36 gripens E/Fs, cargo helicopters.
PA- 6 additional asm mobile launchers plus sam units etc, 20 medium range ssm mobile launchers with sam units for the visayas and mindanao islands. additional equipment for infantry units.




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Mar 23 2013, 09:36 PM
paying back debt??????? wow, unheard off at a time like this, when the US, Europe and many countries are on deficit spending! Japan is at 200% deficit, the US is 100% (at $16,000,000,000,000 and counting). The Phil. is living in luxury.

corrupt politicians? what country does not have corrupt politicians. in fact, have u ever heard of corrupt bankers? the usa have those too, big time. if u wait for honest politicians, maybe next century will be a time to check.
It's seems you don't know how to read between the line and it seems you don't know which part of my post is sarcasm and what I'm driving at.
To make it simple.

Yearly AFP budget 2%. Yearly payments to Philippines debt 24-27%. and my point is if we already paid all our debt then the 24 to 27% that goes to repayments is enough for our AFP upgrade.

Corruption average (norms)10% goes to kick up and so on. That's why its called SOP as its an expected kick back and even COA some how accepted this 10% SOP. But 500% over price? At ito na experience namin dahil muntik na kami nagsupply ng gamot sa isang probensya. Pero natakot ati ko nung nalaman na ganun kalaki ang patanong.

And if it still don't ring a bell to you then its a pity. Because no matter how loud a person shouts, a deaf person will not turn his head.
Edited by bulastika, Mar 24 2013, 12:24 PM.
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let's make it simple bulastika, tell congress to find another $2B a year for milt. modernization. tell them to hold back on foreign reserve deposits because those extra money in the bank is not going to stop the chink navy from taking more territorial waters. and after 4 decades of milt. neglect, you have run out of excuses.

i've read numerous literature (copied and pasted) in this forum, of excuses from all the previous presidential administrations as to why the afp is left out to rot in the sun. the usa even offered a squadron of f-16a for a mere $15M each, at one point, with next day delivery, only to be rejected. if u had bought those, there wouldn't be any problem getting more at this time. those mrf could have kept the chink intruders at bay.

a lot of people feel that there can't be more of those sorry excuses, when several filipino fishermen lost their lives trying to feed their families only to be intentional rammed by a chink frigate as if they where just drift logs floating about. and there are those whose livelihood depends on the traditional fishing ground who now have no source of income. do this people matter to you? do you ignore them because you have no balls to take on the chinese? is that the real reason why this mobilization is at a snail pace? to leave the responsibility of flushing out these toilet germs to the next president, who perhaps will then make up an excuse that it is not he who allowed these germs to settle in, so therefore he will sit this one out too. if u have no empathy for those fishermen and their families, do u at least have national pride?
Edited by wily_pest, Mar 25 2013, 12:52 AM.
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Mar 25 2013, 12:48 AM
let's make it simple bulastika, tell congress to find another $2B a year for milt. modernization. tell them to hold back on foreign reserve deposits because those extra money in the bank is not going to stop the chink navy from taking more territorial waters. and after 4 decades of milt. neglect, you have run out of excuses.

i've read numerous literature (copied and pasted) in this forum, of excuses from all the previous presidential administrations as to why the afp is left out to rot in the sun. the usa even offered a squadron of f-16a for a mere $15M each, at one point, with next day delivery, only to be rejected. if u had bought those, there wouldn't be any problem getting more at this time. those mrf could have kept the chink intruders at bay.

a lot of people feel that there can't be more of those sorry excuses, when several filipino fishermen lost their lives trying to feed their families only to be intentional rammed by a chink frigate as if they where just drift logs floating about. and there are those whose livelihood depends on the traditional fishing ground who now have no source of income. do this people matter to you? do you ignore them because you have no balls to take on the chinese? is that the real reason why this mobilization is at a snail pace? to leave the responsibility of flushing out these toilet germs to the next president, who perhaps will then make up an excuse that it is not he who allowed these germs to settle in, so therefore he will sit this one out too. if u have no empathy for those fishermen and their families, do u at least have national pride?
I will post another excuse, if you may.

In any kind of policy, there are always 6 mandatory requirements; feasibility, resources, aim/s, aftereffect/s, and collective political will, and magnitude. Few reasons why our modernization is snail-like;

1. Seriously, we have no experience at all in procuring defensive hardware at this magnitude since the times of the pre-Marcos era. Of all those people who know the ropes, many of them are already gone.
2. As a democracy, our government is split into three factions; Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. Let's leave judicial for now. Even if our Executive branch has every will of wanting to buy as many hardware as possible, if the Legislative branch could/will not cooperate, then that will is useless.
3. This observation comes from an outside observer; DND is filled with people with such selfish agendas that it makes the former Soviet Politburo look like Mother Teresa. Uncoordinated, they tend to make failures.
4. Our own mentality of pacification also plays a part in this.
5. Lastly, and the most horrifying at all, some politicians think that this "Chinese threat" is very imaginary and implausible at best, because they seriously think that the time for war is already over. They think that all could be dealt with talks and by passing on the burden to the president. Whenever I talk to local politicians about this, most, if not all, thought that I should just go home, as if they do not think that the problem is nonexistent. One even said that we are supposed to be allied with the Chinese!

Haaay, and here I was thinking that there could be a change.

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