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| spearhead | Dec 8 2012, 09:22 PM Post #161 |
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PCG should send their boats there as soon as the storm ends. This is the best time to surround it from chinese f--kers. |
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| truegrit | Dec 8 2012, 11:37 PM Post #162 |
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Trespassers will be Prosecuted: China’s latest Billboard in the South China Sea http://idsa.in/idsacomments/TrespasserswillbeProsecutedChinaslatestBillboardintheSouthChinaSea_ssparmar_081212 The new maritime regulations passed by the Hainan Peoples Congress to board, inspect, seize, deport or force ships to alter course out of areas within China’s claimed territorial waters as a part of the “Coastal Ship Frontier Defence of Law and Order Management Ordinance” signals a stepping up of the Chinese resolve to assert claims on disputed maritime zones. The regulation mentions that it applies to ships that enter the waters under the jurisdiction of Hainan ‘illegally’, specifically territorial waters. The regulations are to come into effect from 01 January 2013. Prima facie, the regulation appears to be applicable to the territorial seas. The ordinance mentions six occasions in which the Public Security Border Defence Authority could take action: Stopping or anchoring. Exit and entry to ports without approval or inspection. Landing on Islands. Destruction of coastal defence/production/living facilities on the Islands. Implementation of promotional activities (could be equated to propaganda) that infringe national sovereignty. Violation of other laws and regulations that threaten the coastal border public security management. These ‘occasions’ apparently are intended to cover the passage of ships that are not ‘innocent’, hence the use of the word ‘illegally’ in the regulation. UNCLOS, as per Articles 17 to 19, covers the right of innocent passage. Interestingly all the occasions as per the new Chinese regulation are covered in Article 19 of UNCLOS. And according to Article 21 of UNCLOS, coastal states may adopt laws and regulations, in conformity with the provisions of UNCLOS and other rules of international law, relating to innocent passage through the territorial sea. Further, as per Article 25, the coastal state may take the necessary steps in its territorial sea to prevent passage that is not innocent. These aspects, in keeping with the letter and spirit of UNCLOS, are, however, deemed applicable to ‘undisputed’ areas that are internationally recognised as belonging to the coastal state. Therefore, the laying down of such occasions raises questions about China’s intent especially as it comes on the heels of a series of events in the recent past. China’s setting up of civil administration and military garrison on Sansha (Paracel Islands) in July 2012. Ongoing Diaoyu/Senkaku Island maritime stand off between China and Japan. China’s submission of baseline claim in respect of Diaoyu Islands in September 2012. ASEAN Ministerial meeting in July 2012 which produced no joint communiqué. ASEAN and EAS Summits in November 2012 resulting in no progress on the South China Sea dispute. Cutting of cables of a Vietnamese survey vessel by a Chinese fishing boat on 30 November 2012. The Paracel Islands are placed by China under Hainan province while the Diaoyu Islands come under Taiwan province (considered the 23rd province of China). A point of interest is that fishing vessels from the provinces of Zhejiang and Fujian fish in the waters near these islands. Another point of interest is that a similar ordinance was also passed by the Zhejiang Provincial People’s Congress. Since both sets of islands are disputed with Vietnam and Japan respectively, the passing of these ordinances could be a harbinger to the hard ‘on site’ actions that China could employ in its claimed ‘disputed’ territorial seas. Hainan’s issuance of the ordinance has invited the ire of several nations, with Vietnam responding by planning to send its own naval patrols to safeguard its interests in the region. The ordinance also raises questions about the freedom of navigation and specifically passage rights of ships in disputed areas not internationally recognised as belonging to any nation. The issue as to who will decide if the passage is innocent has always remained a grey area. Therefore, nations could reserve the right to employ rules of engagement to thwart an ‘illegal’ boarding or not to comply with an ‘illegal’ request to alter course out of such disputed waters – a fact that was mentioned by the Indian Navy chief Admiral DK Joshi in his Navy Day interaction with the media. China’s response cautioning India against any “unilateral” attempt to pursue oil exploration in the disputed South China Sea is an echo of an earlier statement issued in September 2011 when China warned Indian companies “to stay away from the South China Sea, as aggressive overseas explorations from Indian side in the highly sensitive sea, over which China enjoys indisputable sovereignty, might poison its relationship with China, which has been volatile and at times strained.” The issuance of these ordinances will not only add to the growing tensions in the disputed areas, specifically the South China Sea, but also add to the growing suspicions about Chinese intent. The moot question is “who will stand up to China if it adopts strong arm tactics and enforces the ordinances in disputed areas?” As former US President Dwight D Eisenhower said, “History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.” |
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| AVBsupersonic | Dec 9 2012, 12:28 AM Post #163 |
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What do you think the present PH Govt. are planning to do come 1st Jan 2013? Hope it's not just another Diplomatic Protest, Vietnam already made a decision to do a bold move, with India tapping their backs.. The Philippines should coordinate with Vietnam and India also Countries including Japan, Australia and most especially the US. If Beijing is really dead serious about their mad plans in SCS/ WPS come 1st Jan 2013, this is a direct challenge to all nations involved in territorial disputes with them not to mention a challenge to the USN, the only thing that can foil this maybe, is to call China's actions by sending Warships that represents each Countries above and deploying them to the disputed areas that they lawfully claim, all against China. The worst case scenario would be a possible non Nukes Naval showdown with all the Countries involved not to mention dragging NATO in an instant, all against China in order to stop their mad ambitions. "I think it's the only way that will make China think twice..." "Multilateral Actions speaks louder than words." P.S It's high time for SE ASIA to organize a NATO peacekeepers like organization against a bully country like China. "You touch one and we'll touch you!" It's time to SAY NO TO CHINA! Edited by AVBsupersonic, Dec 9 2012, 12:55 AM.
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| icefrog | Dec 9 2012, 07:33 PM Post #164 |
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^SEATO anyone? Spearhead has been suggesting SEATO like forever. Maybe SEATO +4 (Japan, Korea, Australia& NZ) or ASEATO. Edited by icefrog, Dec 9 2012, 07:35 PM.
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| spearhead | Dec 9 2012, 09:36 PM Post #165 |
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Not anymore. ATO yes. Hati na sa gitna Asian Treaty Organization nalang, because many of the ASEANs are unwilling.... Vietnam lang eh + Japan, SK, India, Australia, and maybe US...
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| Vermonter | Dec 10 2012, 07:17 PM Post #166 |
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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/59209/us-ph-to-hold-strategic-talks-amid-tensions-in-disputed-sea |
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| moonski | Dec 10 2012, 07:53 PM Post #167 |
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Is there some asset we intend to buy from the US? It seems the timing of the meeting coincides with the announcement tomorrow.
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| Santi Kampilan | Dec 11 2012, 03:18 AM Post #168 |
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Moonski, I think all of those will be discussed. It would be for our greater good if presence (frequency) is increased significantly. And Let us not be shy in asking for more arms. They are about to make 9 cruisers as target practice and here we are scratching our heads how to find monies for our basic arms. These Chicoms will not stop until they accomplish their objectives, therefore, we should do the same. I like that statement "with or without the Americans we will take our stand" by Sorreta. http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121210/DEFREG03/312100003/Philippines-Eyes-Greater-U-S-Military-Presence?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE Philippines Eyes Greater U.S. Military Presence MANILA — U.S. and Philippine officials will meet this week to discuss expanding American presence in the Asian nation, a senior diplomat said, amid tensions with China over its claims to vast waters in the region. The meetings in Manila on Dec. 11 and 12 will have a special focus on defense and regional matters, Philippine Assistant Secretary for U.S. affairs Carlos Sorreta told reporters. “Foremost in the agenda is the increased rotational presence” of U.S. forces in the Philippines, he said Dec. 10. This refers to U.S. troops and ships passing through the country for training or exercises, circumventing a constitutional ban on foreign bases in the Philippines. He said the meetings with U.S. assistant secretaries for defense and state were not about the territorial dispute between the Philippines and China in the South China Sea. But he said “as public officials answerable to their people and their security, it’s very difficult not to discuss the West Philippine Sea,” using Manila’s term for the South China Sea. The two countries’ officials will discuss boosting the number of visits of American troops, ships and aircraft while increasing U.S. defense aid to the poorly equipped Philippine military, Sorreta said. The discussions will also look at more training for Filipino troops and increased help in humanitarian and disaster relief. A rotating force of 600 U.S. Special Forces has been stationed in the southern Philippines since 2002 to help train local troops in how to combat Islamic militants. The Philippines has sought to boost its ties with the United States in recent years following increasing aggressiveness by China in claiming virtually the entire South China Sea, even up to the coasts of its neighbors. In October, a Filipino official said a former U.S. naval base in this country, facing the South China Sea, could play a key role as a hub for American ships as Washington moves to strengthen its presence in the Asia-Pacific. Tensions with China have increased since April following a standoff between Philippine and Chinese ships over the South China Sea shoal, which both claim as their territory. Sorreta said China should not be alarmed by the effort to improve Philippine-U.S. ties. But, he stressed, “with our without the Americans, we will take our stand”. Edited by Santi Kampilan, Dec 11 2012, 03:24 AM.
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| Marschall | Dec 11 2012, 05:51 AM Post #169 |
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In times like these, when even India is becoming more and more wary of the silly games that China is playing, the PH Govt. ought to consider finally getting some BrahMos cruise-missiles! Install them on Pag-Asa island and on PF-15 and PF-16: that way, we can actually do something. |
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| spearhead | Dec 11 2012, 09:45 AM Post #170 |
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Yeah i think so too. It's about time for the RP government to approach India for a military dialogue. |
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Asian Treaty Organization nalang, because many of the ASEANs are unwilling.... Vietnam lang eh + Japan, SK, India, Australia, and maybe US...


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