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Chinese ships patrol area contested by Malaysia
Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 11:18 AM (4,974 Views)
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china threat grows bigger wake up ASEAN and especially the Philippines
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'China not encroaching on our waters'

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29 January 2014

Royal Malaysian Navy chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar who rubbished them as inaccurate reporting, said China was actually holding a high-level maritime exercise with its navy and airforce, away from the country's exclusive economic zone and it was held in conjunction with the recent launch of its aircraft carrier Liaoning.

The New Straits Times understands the exercise involved the aircraft carrier, and maritime assets including a submarine, the amphibious dock landing ship Changbaishan, two destroyers, as well as frigates with support from its air force fighter-jets. The exercise, Aziz said was being conducted northwest of the disputed Spratly islands, which was over 1,000 nautical miles away from Malaysia's 200nm exclusive economic zone, adding that no Chinese ship encroached James Shoal, located 80km northwest of Bintulu, Sarawak.

"We are aware of this and our naval and air forces are monitoring the situation with heightened surveillance. There has been no act of provocation on the part of the Chinese or threat to our sovereignty, as they are conducting their exercise in international waters."

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Then why would the Chinese state media claim the flotilla reached James Shoal.

Also what's being said by that admiral don't add up.

1) Didn't the carrier finish it's operations in the area a while ago?

2) Also : ''monitoring the situation with heightened surveillance'' . How does the Malaysian Navy manage to detect ad track the flotilla if it's over 1000nm from Malaysia shores?
Edited by Uruzu, Jan 29 2014, 05:40 PM.
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26 January 2014

Malaysian military sources have said there is no basis to Chinese media claims that a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) task group conducted a patrol around the James Shoal region of Malaysia's Exclusive Economic Zone on 26 January.

The sources told IHS Jane's that Malaysian ships and aircraft operating in the area, which lies 50 n miles from the East Malaysian town of Bintulu, reported no sightings nor electronic surveillance returns of the three ships cited in the Chinese media reports: the Type 071 landing ship dock amphibious assault ship Changbaishan (989); Luyang I-class (Type 052B) destroyer Wuhan (169); and Luyang II-class (Type 052C) destroyer Haikou (171).

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Related: 2014 James Shoal Drill: Was It In Fact A Mind Game?
The rebuttal corroborates the previous one from Jane's. The exercises involving the ships named happened in the Paracels five days before the alleged intrusion.
Edited by raider1011, Jan 29 2014, 06:05 PM.
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Malaysians are playing it safe eh? Like it would work. Good luck to them if they kept it up playing safe. China would just be laughing and it will just encourage the Chinese to expand there playing field more with Malaysia's expense.
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Its just a face-saving measure by Malaysia government after all the kowtowing to China in the past year. The PLAN task force apparently conducted exercises from the Paracels to Spratlys and to James Shoal.
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A view from Type 071 amphibious assault ship Changbaishan (989) of destroyers Wuhan (169) and Haikou (171) during what Chinese media said was a ceremony at James Shoal in the South China Sea to mark China's sovereignty of the territory. Malaysian officials deny the ships had been in the area. Source: Wang Ting/Xinhua

Jane's posts the article in full:

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Malaysian military sources have denied Chinese media claims that a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) task group patrolled around the James Shoal region of Malaysia's exclusive economic zone on 26 January.

The sources told IHS Jane's that Malaysian ships and aircraft operating in the area, which lies 50 n miles from the East Malaysian town of Bintulu, reported no sightings or electronic surveillance returns of the three ships cited in Chinese media reports: the Type 071 dock landing ship (LSD) Changbaishan (989); Luyang I-class (Type 052B) destroyer Wuhan (169); and Luyang II-class (Type 052C) destroyer Haikou (171).

Xinhua news agency reported that the PLAN task group patrolled Zengmu Reef, the Chinese name for James Shoal, and held a ceremony in which sailors and officers swore to safeguard China's sovereignty.

The Malaysian sources said Malaysian oil platforms in the region also reported no visual or radar sightings of the Chinese ships during that period, adding that it was physically impossible for the PLAN ships, which had been in the Paracel Islands carrying out military exercises, to have sailed to James Shoal that quickly and undetected.

A PLAN exercise around the shoal in March 2013 was monitored by the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) Kedah-class patrol vessel KD Perak , which subsequently asked the PLAN ships to leave the area.

The Malaysian Ministry of Defence and the RMN have declined to comment or issue a statement on the reports. The sources said the Malaysian government and armed forces are confident the news is false but want to avoid a war of words, particularly as the account came from Chinese media rather than the Chinese military, with which Malaysia has a working relationship.

Malaysia's Minister of Defence Hishammuddin Tun Hussein and Chief of Defence Force General Zulkifeli Mohamed Zin paid official visits to China in 2013. Malaysia is also scheduled to hold a humanitarian assistance and disaster response command post exercise with China in April.

ANALYSIS

China's repeated claims that James Shoal is its southernmost land feature must be understood in the context of one important fact: the shoal is 22 m below sea level and so under international law cannot be claimed.

BBC correspondent Bill Hayton, who is writing a book on the history of the South China Sea, has previously written that the claim is based on a translation error made by the Republic of China - then the government of mainland China - in the 1930s.

Instead of completing its own survey of the South China Sea, Hayton writes that they "simply copied the existing British charts and changed the names of the islands to make them sound Chinese. We know they did this because the committee's map included about 20 mistakes that appeared on the British map - features that in later, better surveys were found not to actually exist."

James Shoal, or Zengmu Reef, falls into this category
although the People's Republic of China continues to reinforce the claim by regular visits to the area, during which - in Hayton's words - it customarily deposits large pieces of "engraved stone over the side of the ship".

There is a more serious side to the shoal, not least that it completes China's 'nine-dashed line claim' to nearly all of the South China Sea and so brings Chinese warships into waters where they are not welcome. Given Malaysia's desire to avoid a confrontation, the risk of it initiating an incident is low, although it is unclear whether the PLAN would adopt the same restraint if it came across an RMN vessel.

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It boils down to the credibility of the Chinese media, the only source for the claim.
Edited by raider1011, Jan 30 2014, 10:04 AM.
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raider1011
Jan 30 2014, 09:54 AM
It boils down to the credibility of the Chinese media, the only source for the claim.
Which to say if full of crap.

I'd believe the Malaysian government on this one unless proven otherwise.

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'Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick’: What is Malaysia Playing At? (thediplomat.com)
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For the past two years China has dispatched a flotilla of People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) warships to the farthest reaches of the South China Sea to assert Beijing’s claim to “indisputable sovereignty” over the waters and features lying within its nine-dashed line. Beijing’s ambitious claim covers an estimated eighty percent of the South China Sea.

On each occasion PLAN warships sailed to James Shoal, or Beting Serupai in Malay, eighty kilometers off the coast of East Malaysia. According to Bill Hayton, who is completing a book on the South China Sea, China’s claim is based on a double historical error.
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Malaysia reacted to the return visit by a PLAN flotilla in January 2014 in a similar fashion. According to Chinese media, three PLAN warships, the Jinggangshan amphibious assault ship and two destroyers, patrolled the waters near James Shoal. Sailors and marines again swore to safeguard the sovereignty of Zengmu Ansha.
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Malaysia’s policy, to borrow from Theodore Roosevelt, is one of “speak softly and carry a big stick.” For example, on August 30, 2013, immediately after the comments by Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein quoted above, an email was sent out to regional security analysts by a highly placed Malaysian government source. The email read:

I have it on good authority that the defense minister was not properly briefed on the issue and that his words certainly didn’t reflect Malaysian policy. While we recognize the freedom of navigation for all vessels, including military ones, on the high seas, we require that states ask for our permission to conduct military activities in our exclusive economic zone. And that requirement applies to all foreign naval vessels, including Chinese ones. The defense minister’s statement does not change that.
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Malaysia to lodge protest over Chinese Coast Guard 'intruders': WSJ
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KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia will protest against what it called the intrusion of a Chinese Coast Guard ship into its waters north of Borneo, the Wall Street Journal reported, in another departure from the country's previously soft approach to South China Sea disputes.

National Security Minister Shahidan Kassim was quoted as telling the Journal that Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak would raise the issue directly with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The report comes after Shahidan posted pictures on Facebook of what he said was a Chinese Coast Guard ship anchored at Luconia Shoals, an area of islets and reefs about 150 km (93 miles) north of Malaysian Borneo.

The shoals are inside the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone claimed by Malaysia and about 2,000 km from mainland China, he said, adding that any foreign vessels entering the area were "intruders".






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