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PH Files Case vs China Before UNCLOS Tribunal; Ph challenges China's 9-dash claims in WPS at UN Tribunal
Topic Started: Jan 22 2013, 05:03 PM (50,545 Views)
Hong Nam
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If the next president withdraws our case against China, call him a TRAITOR


Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio advised the country's next president to push through with the territorial dispute case before the United Nations-backed Arbitration Tribunal because withdrawing it would be catastrophic and a big blow against our Sovereignty and Constitution.



"I think the case would be decided before the next president assumes office. In the event it would not be decided, and there's a new president, the UNCLOS itself encourages parties to come to an amicable settlement even while the case is going on."

"If a new president comes in and the case is still going on, there is nothing wrong with talking to China. What is wrong is if the case is withdrawn. It should not be withdrawn... If the president will withdraw the case because we're willing to talk with China, that would be catastrophic."

"Why don't we just cooperate with China? If the bully goes to your house, and say, 'get out,' and you have the title of your house, but because he's a bully and you're a small guy, will you just tell him, 'Okay, I'll give you one half of the house?' The UNCLOS grants us 200 nautical miles, the same with China."

"We have an agreement (under UNCLOS). China is saying we are entitled to 200 nautical miles but we’re claiming the rest of the South China Sea because of historic right. They cannot do that anymore... Fifty-fifty na lang? It would be unconstitutional. A person who would do that would be impeached."


- Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio



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Another reason why other claimants are watching the UNCLOSE case:

Philippine Star

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Analyst: Manila vs Beijing ruling to affect nations with similar claims
By Patricia Lourdes Viray (philstar.com) | Updated March 25, 2016 - 1:57pm


MANILA, Philippines — Other nations with expansive maritime claims over remote islets may have to reconsider their position if the international tribunal established under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) will rule in favor of Manila in its case against Beijing, an analyst said.

The Philippines in 2013 filed an arbitration case against China before the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, Netherlands to challenge the latter's claims over the South China Sea. The ruling is expected to be out in May this year.

Academia Sinica research fellow Yann-Huei Song said that the expected favorable ruling for the Philippines may set a precedent that will affect the claims of several nations calling on China to abide by decision.

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Edited by MSantor, Mar 25 2016, 10:55 PM.
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White House: No militarization policy applies to both China, Philippines
By Patricia Lourdes Viray (philstar.com) | Updated April 14, 2016 - 4:32pm

MANILA, Philippines — The United States recently said that its call for halt in reclamation and construction activities in the South China Sea dispute is not exclusive to China but also applies to the Philippines.

"We don’t want to see construction activities on disputed features. We don’t want to see any kind of militarization of outposts," US Department of State Deputy spokesperson Mark Toner said in a press briefing on Tuesday.

This statement follows reports that the Philippine Air Force has been transporting construction materials to Pagasa Island in the South China Sea, which the Philippines calls the West Philippine Sea, to restart upgrading its airfield in the island.

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:headbang: ^WHAATTA?!!!

They didn't stop China from building their illegal artificial Islands and it's continuously happening even as we speak, so why include PH??? Would they say the same thing to Japan in Senkakus? :armyroleyes:

O yah, I forgot.. that the yanks doesn't acknowledge our claims.. :armyroleyes: :armyfrown:

We should elect a President that cannot and will not be dictated and easily used by anybody like the US or China.

Our BIG problem is that all Presidential candidates are sick, the only one sana who is qualified has stage 4 C and all the rest are sick in their individual heads and are all committing "Acts of unbecoming" Yan ang mga tunay na "Laughing stock." :sad2:
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It's not just the US anymore that China has to contend with after UNCLOS makes its ruling. The reason why China threw a fit after the G7 nations made a unified statement is because that implies the G7 nations not just the US and Japan will probably try to enforce/oblige China to respect the UNCLOS ruling.

As for China's side, expect them to downplay the ruling, tell unclos has no jurisdiction, etc.. And possibly try to divide the G7 nations by saying the UK does not respect UN ruling as well.
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Apr 15 2016, 11:03 AM
It's not just the US anymore that China has to contend with after UNCLOS makes its ruling. The reason why China threw a fit after the G7 nations made a unified statement is because that implies the G7 nations not just the US and Japan will probably try to enforce/oblige China to respect the UNCLOS ruling.

As for China's side, expect them to downplay the ruling, tell unclos has no jurisdiction, etc.. And possibly try to divide the G7 nations by saying the UK does not respect UN ruling as well.
Its not only China... also the Philippines would downplay the ruling of the arbitration if Duterte wins.
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China’s Plan B: Binay-Bongbong

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April 15th, 2016

... in anticipation of an adverse ruling, China’s Chief Justice Zhou Qiang has announced that China would set up an “international maritime judicial center” to protect its sea rights, a move to bolster its claim to the entire South China Sea. This is China’s Plan A. “The playbook the Chinese leadership appears to follow is if you can’t challenge your opponent’s claim based on established norms of international law, then challenge the norms,” Prof. Sebastian Maslow of the Tohoku University School of Law observed.

But simultaneous with its Plan A, is China’s Plan B, the election on May 10, 2016 of a Philippine president and a vice president who will support China’s position of rejecting international arbitration in favor of “bilateral negotiations.” ...

Former Department of Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario belied their arguments.

“We were for bilateral talks but we ran into a dead end in terms of using that approach,” Del Rosario said in an interview with ANC’s Headstart. “In the case of Scarborough Shoal, we had over 50 bilateral engagements with them and that did not work because the very first instance in every bilateral meeting with China, they will say to you ‘We have indisputable sovereignty over the entire South China Sea’, so that’s the preface,” Del Rosario explained. ...

Once Binay and Bongbong accept China’s pre-condition for bilateral talks, what would there be left to negotiate?
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Apr 15 2016, 04:49 PM
China’s Plan B: Binay-Bongbong

By Rodel Rodis

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April 15th, 2016

... in anticipation of an adverse ruling, China’s Chief Justice Zhou Qiang has announced that China would set up an “international maritime judicial center” to protect its sea rights, a move to bolster its claim to the entire South China Sea. This is China’s Plan A. “The playbook the Chinese leadership appears to follow is if you can’t challenge your opponent’s claim based on established norms of international law, then challenge the norms,” Prof. Sebastian Maslow of the Tohoku University School of Law observed.

But simultaneous with its Plan A, is China’s Plan B, the election on May 10, 2016 of a Philippine president and a vice president who will support China’s position of rejecting international arbitration in favor of “bilateral negotiations.” ...

Former Department of Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario belied their arguments.

“We were for bilateral talks but we ran into a dead end in terms of using that approach,” Del Rosario said in an interview with ANC’s Headstart. “In the case of Scarborough Shoal, we had over 50 bilateral engagements with them and that did not work because the very first instance in every bilateral meeting with China, they will say to you ‘We have indisputable sovereignty over the entire South China Sea’, so that’s the preface,” Del Rosario explained. ...

Once Binay and Bongbong accept China’s pre-condition for bilateral talks, what would there be left to negotiate?
It's pretty clear that this article is another one of the Aquino/ LP's desperate demolition job for Sen. FMJr, reason why they included him here.. :armyroleyes:

While truly believe with Binay's possible China connections, I do believe Sen. Marcos as he explained before many times over, re: China in WPS claims, technically it's much better in a way to approach this bilaterally if China will acknowledge our rights, put all these things in a back burner as before, for so many years.. We have a long history with China as trading partners.

Sa totoo lang iba ang interest ng mga kano kesa sa atin sa WPS, halimbawa nalang ang hindi nila pag acknowledge sa "Panatag Shoal" bilang parte ng teritoryo ng Pilipinas, na alam naman nila ang tunay na katotohanan, atbp. Kaya mas gusto ni BBM na Bilateral. Di tayo importante sa kanila kesa sa halimbawa ng Japan. :nono:

Yung EDCA, nagkaroon na naman ng pagkakataon ang mga kano na patakamin anng ating mga sundalong Pinoy ng kanilang kagamitan, para mag laway tayo, pero kapag hinagad natin na bumili ng kapareho niyan, SASABIHIN LANG SA ATIN NA HINDI PWEDE AT ITO LANG ANG BAGAY SA IYO, MGA PINAGLUMAAN KO NA WHECs at bawal sa inyo ang malalakas na armas.

I truly believe BBM's approach if ever he get's the chance to lead with regards to this issues with China would be different and that he will always try to put the Country and the Filipino Peoples interests first.

Or he will have far better plans for PH especially with Foreign Policy, to have a formidable AFP in future with nil or minimal reliance from the Americans.

I'm not anti KAno, but just want our Country to have a true Leader that cannot be stepped on easily, one that cannot be compromised, one who doesn't seek war but prepares to be ready for it.

Depende lanag talaga ito kung sino kausap nila, kung gaano ka intelligent, puros wala naman kasi utak, puro porma at makasarili ang mga naging Leader talaga ng Pilipinas 30 yrs. after ng Tatay niya at wala man lang ni isa na naibalik sa bayan na mga infrastructures, tapos mga SUPER Corrupt pa at puros mga mayayamang capitalistang oligharchs lang ang yumayaman o pinapayaman imbes ang bayang Pilipinas. :headbang:

This is the reason WHY regardless of the "Martial Law era" alleged Corruption, hidden wealth etc.. of his Father hunts him by way to discredit his run for VP, BBM is leading and climbing non-stop to the second highest post race in PH.

PROOF that 30 yrs of nothing for Inang Bayan and the Filipino People, but only just "FAKE Democracy", Graft n Corruption of leaders who were given the chance to prove that they are right in what they are fighting for back then.. while the ordinary Filipino masses were being used back then by capitalist, these Anti Marcos leaders were given the chance to lead, but NOT one of them are worth it.
Edited by Andres Boning, Apr 15 2016, 06:40 PM.
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The vice president has no say on the foreign policy of the next administration unless his or her president is on the same ticket/party w/c is unlikely. Some VPs don't even like to have a Cabinet level position.
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Apr 15 2016, 04:49 PM
China’s Plan B: Binay-Bongbong

By Rodel Rodis

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It's pretty clear that this article is another one of the Aquino/ LP's desperate demolition job for Sen. FMJr, reason why they included him here.. :armyroleyes:

While truly believe with Binay's possible China connections, I do believe Sen. Marcos as he explained before many times over, re: China in WPS claims, technically it's much better in a way to approach this bilaterally if China will acknowledge our rights, put all these things in a back burner as before, for so many years.. We have a long history with China as trading partners.

Sa totoo lang iba ang interest ng mga kano kesa sa atin sa WPS, halimbawa nalang ang hindi nila pag acknowledge sa "Panatag Shoal" bilang parte ng teritoryo ng Pilipinas, na alam naman nila ang tunay na katotohanan, atbp. Kaya mas gusto ni BBM na Bilateral. Di tayo importante sa kanila kesa sa halimbawa ng Japan. :nono:

Yung EDCA, nagkaroon na naman ng pagkakataon ang mga kano na patakamin anng ating mga sundalong Pinoy ng kanilang kagamitan, para mag laway tayo, pero kapag hinagad natin na bumili ng kapareho niyan, SASABIHIN LANG SA ATIN NA HINDI PWEDE AT ITO LANG ANG BAGAY SA IYO, MGA PINAGLUMAAN KO NA WHECs at bawal sa inyo ang malalakas na armas.

I truly believe BBM's approach if ever he get's the chance to lead with regards to this issues with China would be different and that he will always try to put the Country and the Filipino Peoples interests first.

Or he will have far better plans for PH especially with Foreign Policy, to have a formidable AFP in future with nil or minimal reliance from the Americans.

I'm not anti KAno, but just want our Country to have a true Leader that cannot be stepped on easily, one that cannot be compromised, one who doesn't seek war but prepares to be ready for it.

Depende lanag talaga ito kung sino kausap nila, kung gaano ka intelligent, puros wala naman kasi utak, puro porma at makasarili ang mga naging Leader talaga ng Pilipinas 30 yrs. after ng Tatay niya at wala man lang ni isa na naibalik sa bayan na mga infrastructures, tapos mga SUPER Corrupt pa at puros mga mayayamang capitalistang oligharchs lang ang yumayaman o pinapayaman imbes ang bayang Pilipinas. :headbang:

This is the reason WHY regardless of the "Martial Law era" alleged Corruption, hidden wealth etc.. of his Father hunts him by way to discredit his run for VP, BBM is leading and climbing non-stop to the second highest post race in PH.

PROOF that 30 yrs of nothing for Inang Bayan and the Filipino People, but only just "FAKE Democracy", Graft n Corruption of leaders who were given the chance to prove that they are right in what they are fighting for back then.. while the ordinary Filipino masses were being used back then by capitalist, these Anti Marcos leaders were given the chance to lead, but NOT one of them are worth it.
bilateral talks? look at what good that did Vietnam.....and their leadership is much closer with the chinese than what the Philippines can ever hope for, but look how many times were they stabbed in the back for all the world to see....Tayo pa kaya na much weaker militarily. It's pretty clear that china only respects power and negotiating with them at this time bilaterally like what marcos and binay wants to do would only feed their ego and show how much more superior they are...and you can only expect a lopsided agreement from any talks. As they say, when negotiating, negotiate from a position of strength.

On this issue, marcos is naive at best and at worst...well look at binay.
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