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PH Files Case vs China Before UNCLOS Tribunal; Ph challenges China's 9-dash claims in WPS at UN Tribunal
Topic Started: Jan 22 2013, 05:03 PM (50,550 Views)
gammy322
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The Philippines will never go into bilateral negotiations with the Chinese considering what they did in a very simple condition in Scarborough Shoal for both countries move out for awhile.... :headbang:


Put that fat tummy attorney and the coward congressman cum soldier in a cannon of Sierra Madre and make a big boom when a Chinese CG passes by... :brrt:
Edited by gammy322, Jul 14 2015, 06:23 PM.
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I believe the conclusion to these would still be a bilateral agreement between China and the Philippines, but that's probably way way along the road 20 or 25 years from now. As presumed also by Justice Carpio, this would be a generational challenge.

But the case would need to be resolved first and see where it goes.
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This is probably what the bully will suggest in the bilateral talks and offer billions of dollars as bait. that is the bully's style that they can try to bribe countries and people . in any case its a very bad idea to agree to bilateral talks as we have tried it hundreds of times with the bully already, it will just be on their terms. some of those politicians who keep reminding the govt to try bilateral negotiations were prodded by their businessmen benefactors to do so who in turn were instructed by the bully.

Hong Nam
Jul 14 2015, 05:37 PM
China urges Philippines to ditch its South China Sea case
Jim Gomez - Associated Press
3 hours ago


BEIJING (AP) - China urged the Philippines on Tuesday to ditch its attempt to solve South China Sea territorial disputes with an international tribunal and instead negotiate with Beijing directly, following the arbitration panel's latest request for input from China.

The Philippines praised the tribunal's effort to prod China again to join the case, saying the five-man arbitration body has been fair and transparent in its handling of Manila's complaints against Beijing.

Beijing says fears that it would eventually limit freedom of navigation and overflight to back its claims are unfounded.


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Edited by pachador, Jul 15 2015, 12:54 AM.
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bandofbros
Jul 15 2015, 12:25 AM
I believe the conclusion to these would still be a bilateral agreement between China and the Philippines, but that's probably way way along the road 20 or 25 years from now. As presumed also by Justice Carpio, this would be a generational challenge.

But the case would need to be resolved first and see where it goes.
I hope you are right that it's a long way to go but sorry. I do not trust politicians esp. specific ones. Who knows what the next President will do or the next Congress. If there is any truth to that Chinese drug Lord being a source of payola money to pay off some congressmen to pass bbl in. The house of Representatives then China can very well do that as well with specific politicians. Heck, some former soldiers turned politicians are already arguing for bilateral talks as early as now and even prodding to junk our case in the tribunal immediately.

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Jul 15 2015, 01:09 AM
bandofbros
Jul 15 2015, 12:25 AM
I believe the conclusion to these would still be a bilateral agreement between China and the Philippines, but that's probably way way along the road 20 or 25 years from now. As presumed also by Justice Carpio, this would be a generational challenge.

But the case would need to be resolved first and see where it goes.
I hope you are right that it's a long way to go but sorry. I do not trust politicians esp. specific ones. Who knows what the next President will do or the next Congress. If there is any truth to that Chinese drug Lord being a source of payola money to pay off some congressmen to pass bbl in. The house of Representatives then China can very well do that as well with specific politicians. Heck, some former soldiers turned politicians are already arguing for bilateral talks as early as now and even prodding to junk our case in the tribunal immediately.

Its indeed a challenge... a long challenge. And the first hurdle will be to win our UNCLOS case. As that would be a chip on our side on the bargaining table come later on.

Yes our political climate isn't as robust as even Vietnam nor Bangladesh in terms of its support to the military nor to their countries diplomatic agenda. Even as today, with presidential election looming next year, we already are seeing a challenge to the government's position with regards to our territory and our status quo with China.

It's depressing really.... that's why we're just hoping... I'm hoping for at least a better climate with the next and the next administrations that will come after.
Edited by bandofbros, Jul 15 2015, 03:01 PM.
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Int'l tribunal vows to rule on jurisdiction issue on PHL-China sea row before yearend
By Michaela Del Callar


MANILA, July 17 (PNA) - The Netherlands-based Permanent Court of Arbitration has vowed to hand down a decision on whether it will assume jurisdiction on the Philippines’ case against China in the West Philippine Sea “as soon as possible,” saying a ruling is expected before the year ends.

In a statement on Monday, the tribunal said it has already entered the deliberations phase upon the conclusion of the oral arguments from July 7 to 13 in The Hague. The tribunal “is conscious of its duty under the Rules of Procedure to conduct proceedings to avoid unnecessary delay and expense and to provide a fair and efficient process,” the statement said.

The court also asked the Philippines to submit “further written responses” until July 23 to questions raised by the five-member arbitration body.

“Before making its award, the arbitral tribunal must satisfy itself not only that it has jurisdiction over the dispute but also that the claim is well founded in fact and in law,” the PCA said.(PNA)
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Has the Philippines Forgotten its South China Sea Strategy?
Manila is investing too much in its legal approach at its own expense. This was not always so.


After more than 15 years, the Philippines has finally decided to repair its ragtag outpost on the Second Thomas Shoal, located about 100 nautical miles away from the Philippines’ westernmost province of Palawan. The Sierra Madre ship – a 100-meter-long tank landing vessel, operated by the U.S. Navy back in the Second World War – has served as a tenuous expression of Manila’s sovereignty claim over the contested feature in the South China Sea.

For long, it has also served as an embarrassing reminder of how little the Philippines has invested in concretely defending its claims in a heavily-contested area. To paraphrase a Western journalist who visited the site in recent years, the Philippine outpost from afar is an abominable site amid a beautiful maritime wilderness; surrounded by reefs and a vast blue ocean, Sierra Madre looks even more awful up close.

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One view from one author; perhaps he's on China's payroll: :headbang:

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3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China
Even if it wins at The Hague, the Philippines will lose against China in the long run.


The arbitration case against China launched by the Philippines has attracted a lot of global media attention and global public opinion seems to support the Philippines’ case. However, a closer analysis reveals that the Philippines might in the end suffer from this arbitration case. How so? There are three main reasons for this.

First, there is no guarantee that the Philippines is going to win the arbitration case, even though media reports might suggest that it will. Actually, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague is being very careful now as it tries to determine whether it has the necessary jurisdiction in the first place. This is not good news for the Philippines. Part of the reason is that the Court understands the huge implications of its decision for not only China, but also for the international law of the sea in general.

The reasons for this are not too difficult to understand. Basically, China has stated openly many times already that it will not participate in the arbitration case and thus will not implement any decision made by the tribunal. Of course, the final decision is unlikely to be entirely favorable to the Philippines. The more likely case is that China will win some concessions and the Philippines will win some as well. Either way, China will not accept the decision. Given this, ruling on the case would put the tribunal and international law in a very awkward position simply because the tribunal has no effective means to enforce the decision. That also means that the tribunal, and perhaps international law itself, will lose a lot of credibility before international society (the last thing the tribunal wants to see). So in this case, if the Philippines wins, it still loses and if it loses, it will lose big time.

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Jul 23 2015, 09:39 PM
One view from one author; perhaps he's on China's payroll: :headbang:
That's Dingding Chen. He's definitely on his country's side.

Here are few examples of his views:
- The other claimants have also carried out land reclamation.
- The important thing is that China does not “harbor offensive intentions toward other countries.
- Because China is still a “developing country” with many internal political and economic challenges, its foreign policy will be cautious for decades to come.
- Anxiety over China’s South China Sea policy is tantamount to “threat inflation and overreaction, which often are sources of unnecessary conflict.
- The United States Should Invite China to RIMPAC 2016 because cooperation is better than confrontation despite them sending a spy ship.
- A deepening U.S.-Japan alliance might actually hurt Japan’s security interests.
- China's island-building in the South China Sea is no threat as China’s activities remain peaceful and defensive in nature.
- The US should believe Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang’s words: China will not seek hegemony.
- The US should stop sending surveillance aircraft to China’s doorstep - that being international airspace.
- China is a different kind of global power and won't become another United States. It’s a good thing that China is just being China.



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What can we expect from an author named Dingding Chen. Dingding can't force us to believe in what she or he writes anyway. What is important is we know that this is the only move that our country has done single handedly, that has thrown a giant bully like China out of balance. And for me, that is a great Achievement. Why would a proud bully practically beg us to pull out the case if they think it will be good for them in the long run?
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