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| PH Files Case vs China Before UNCLOS Tribunal; Ph challenges China's 9-dash claims in WPS at UN Tribunal | |
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| bandofbros | Jul 9 2015, 09:08 PM Post #461 |
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Our constitution also say, to protect the territory... |
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| icefrog | Jul 9 2015, 10:11 PM Post #462 |
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Humiliating. At the very least do the bilateral talks only after presenting the case in the US tribunal. This way you are going in the talks on high ground. Embarrassing. Magdalo partly list pa. |
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| Hong Nam | Jul 9 2015, 10:32 PM Post #463 |
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You've been talking to them for 2 decades and all they do is take more of your territory. They're willing to talk now (at least pretending to) because of the arbitration case that you've filed. Drop that and the cycle resumes. A dialogue is possible if there are no pre-conditions. It always starts there and the success of such dialogue is determined by honour and compromise on both sides. Question is... Have they ever compromised on anything? You lost Scarborough Shoal because you took their word of honour and agreed to leave - they stayed. Old habits die hard, but in China's case... It never dies. Mr. bandofbros is right - protection of your territory comes first. Mr. icefrog is right - you have the moral high ground. That's your only advantage. Use it and press that advantage. Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 9 2015, 10:40 PM.
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| bandofbros | Jul 9 2015, 10:44 PM Post #464 |
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Exactly, humiliating for an ex-soldier. But remember those Sierra Madre marines that extended their patrol as their replacement was blocked by the Chinese CC? The PN enlisted the assistance of a US P8 to sort of secure the changing of the guards. And the team that was extracted all were bearded as they lost their shaving tool? They became instant celebrities and became part of almost all media interviews. I remember one soldier there in an interview with a collapse will, saying that the dispute should be resolved fast and at all cost (non-militarily it seems) because they don't want the experience of guarding Sierra Madre again and they pity for the next batch... or to that effect. Shameful too in my opinion. Hope not all soldiers and ex-soldiers are as weak as them in defending our territory. Edited by bandofbros, Jul 9 2015, 10:52 PM.
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| bandofbros | Jul 9 2015, 10:48 PM Post #465 |
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They are promising this now, Hong. For the PH to sit down with them. At least the Chinese ambassador is summoning back the PH side to the bilateral table WITH NO PRE-CONDITIONS. But as you've emphasized, how much can we trust the Chinese? How truthful are they given that they've broken agreements during the Scarborough stand-off. Edited by bandofbros, Jul 9 2015, 10:51 PM.
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| Ayoshi | Jul 10 2015, 04:15 AM Post #466 |
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Philippines counsels explain further country's case at UN Arbitration Tribunal | pna - July 9
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| Hong Nam | Jul 11 2015, 04:38 PM Post #467 |
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The moment of truth: Philippines vs. China at The Hague By Richard Javad Heydarian, special for CNN Philippines July 9, 2015 - The key hurdle is the question of jurisdiction: That is to say, whether the Arbitral Tribunal, formed under the aegis of the UNCLOS, has the mandate to rule on the Philippines’ case against China. We won’t be able to even defend the merit of our case, unless we convince the court that compulsory arbitration is the way forward. - What is at stake is not only the merits of the Philippines’ arguments, and the questionable character of China’s sweeping claims, but also the very credibility and viability of international law as the primary arbiter for resolving seemingly intractable territorial spats. This is precisely why the whole international community is anxiously following the ongoing proceedings at The Hague. If the Arbitral Tribunal turns down jurisdiction, and refuses to even hear the merits of our arguments, then the very viability of international law as a conflict-management/resolution mechanism will come under question. - The big concern is that while the legal cycle slowly grinds, China is actually changing the facts on the ground on a daily basis. This is why it is extremely important that the Philippines remains vigilant, and primarily focuses on tangibly guarding its interests on the frontline by fortifying its position on features it already controls, negotiate necessary measures to prevent unwanted clashes and escalation in the high seas, and employ all instruments in its toolkit to protect its territorial integrity. - An urgent concern, in particular, is to prevent China from imposing an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the Spratly chain of islands. The truth is that, we can’t only rely on UNCLOS to address this critical situation, and we will need the help of our allies and partners across the world as well as the full support of the Filipino nation. Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 11 2015, 04:38 PM.
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| MSantor | Jul 12 2015, 11:58 PM Post #468 |
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| MSantor | Jul 14 2015, 01:09 PM Post #469 |
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More at stake than previously thought? Diplomat
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| Hong Nam | Jul 14 2015, 05:37 PM Post #470 |
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China urges Philippines to ditch its South China Sea case Jim Gomez - Associated Press 3 hours ago BEIJING (AP) - China urged the Philippines on Tuesday to ditch its attempt to solve South China Sea territorial disputes with an international tribunal and instead negotiate with Beijing directly, following the arbitration panel's latest request for input from China. The Philippines praised the tribunal's effort to prod China again to join the case, saying the five-man arbitration body has been fair and transparent in its handling of Manila's complaints against Beijing. Beijing says fears that it would eventually limit freedom of navigation and overflight to back its claims are unfounded. AP / Yahoo Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 14 2015, 05:38 PM.
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