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PH Files Case vs China Before UNCLOS Tribunal; Ph challenges China's 9-dash claims in WPS at UN Tribunal
Topic Started: Jan 22 2013, 05:03 PM (50,553 Views)
maxmontero
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bandofbros
Jul 6 2015, 07:52 PM
Don't worry guys, most especially to the doubtful Max Montero, who instead of exhibiting support with his much deeper knowledge on the issue is showing a crack in his mental fortitude. This after admitting that he is not based in the Philippines anymore and couldn't care less and instead created an Asian defense blog which centers on PH defense issues.

Thankfully the chest stompers has Plan B, I beleive Max doesn't... :lollol:

PH has 'Plan B' in case tribunal won't hear case vs China

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/07/06/15/ph-has-plan-b-case-tribunal-wont-hear-case-vs-china

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MANILA - The Philippines has a "plan B" in case a United Nations arbitral tribunal will decide it does not have jurisdiction over the Philippines’ case to protect its sovereignty over islands in the South China Sea (West Philippine Sea).

"We have a plan B, but we can’t disclose options at this time considering how sensitive this issue is," Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) spokesperson Charles Jose said in an interview.


I suggest now that max scrambles his insiders to have a glimpse of this Plan B so as to alleviate any pain he has on his chest :drunk:
What is it again, mister?
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Jul 7 2015, 08:58 AM
What is it again, mister?

Seriously? Are you truly who who say you are?

If you are, then welcome to these forums and I would say it's about time. But if you aren't.... shame on you for hiding behind someone on whose ideas I believe are balanced and sensible. Qualities which are rare nowadays among bloggers who follow the Philippine defense arena.



Edited by Hong Nam, Jul 7 2015, 12:45 PM.

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Solgen, DFA chief, US lawyers to speak on first hearing day vs China's 9 dash line | interaksyon - July 7, 2015
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In a bulletin sent to media outfits, Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte said Solicitor General Florin Hilbay will open the presentation, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario will explain the reason for the filing of the case, and American lawyers will present their arguments regarding jurisdiction.

The lawyers are from Washington-based law firm Foley Hoag, led by Paul Reichler.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration, a five-man panel of judges, will hear oral arguments on the issue of jurisdiction until July 13 after China, which refused to take part in the proceedings, questioned the court’s jurisdiction over the case.

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On Monday, a day before the start of the hearing, Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua reiterated his call for a return to bilateral negotiations on the dispute.
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Jul 7 2015, 12:42 PM
maxmontero
Jul 7 2015, 08:58 AM
What is it again, mister?

Seriously? Are you truly who who say you are?

If you are, then welcome to these forums and I would say it's about time. But if you aren't.... shame on you for hiding behind someone on whose ideas I believe are balanced and sensible. Qualities which are rare nowadays among bloggers who follow the Philippine defense arena.



Thanks Hong Nam for the warm introduction. I'm flattered by your description of me and my effort.

I won't be here for long, as I am already busy with maintaining my site for now. With all these issues coming in, I can't really answer a lot of people of all their queries.

I have been reading this forum for some time so I am familar with the people with sensible posts here. I have my appreciation and several members of PDFF who are who also are readers @ MaxDefense, you know who you are. I expect haters like your friend over here, but that's part of this endeavor. For those who do not know, I am already out of the country for several years even before this 9-dash line issue was pushed aggressively by China. And even if I am not in the Philippines, that did not stop me (and many other foreign based Filipinos) to do whatever we can to support the Philippines. MaxDefense is my own little way of bring my knowledge to the general public who are not even aware of the existence of PDFF or Timawa. Just look at how many Filipinos are surprisingly supportive of the AFP, have you noticed that for the past few years? So don' underestimate the power of social media as my little effort has been viewed almost 49 million times already since I started a few years ago.

Anyway, I also want to know what @bandofbros here mean because it got me confused as well. Aside from that, I just have an opinion on this effort by the Philippines in ts UNCLOS tribunal case. This is an effort that should not just be backed by words, but also by action. The Philippine government has to back its bark with teeth to bite if needed.

The realignment of the SBMS project, including its other related systems that in whole is beneficial for the Philippines, is a setback. It might not be a true anti ship cruise missile system as many hoped for, but its presence alone is an act that shows how serious the Philippines is with its claim. It is a shameful move by some officials of the AFP and DND considering that it is the only project we have now that can really be threatening to Chinese forces as it is an active defensive system.

It is true, that even if the Philippines wins in its case, the UN can't really enforce evicting Chinese forces out of the Philippine EEZ. I suggest that we still open up on the possibility of discussing the issue with the Chinese, but not under the pretext of us accepting that the WPS is Chinese historical territory. Whatever they already occupied should be the last and the Philippines must defend whatever remains from now on. So all the talk in the world can happen, but it is by action that we can have something concrete, have what we still have, and for it to be continously ours even with an aggressive neighbor in the corner.
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I guess it is really you.

Might I suggest you visit these forums regularly. Your input will be appreciated here. We don't always agree here, but most of the chaps here are pretty level-headed. Certainly, one more wouldn't hurt.


And keep up the good work with your blog. Always looking forward to a "good" read.


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Wow seem my invitation worked!

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This is an effort that should not just be backed by words, but also by action


For the record, you've just solicited negativity to the most brilliant pursuit the PH had in an effort to fight back at these Chinese incursions. Instead of words of support, you instead alluded that they are weak. You did not even called for support for these guys as far as I remember. You seem waiting to get wowed by them instead.

You have presented yourself a leader in a way with your blog and followers. Those chest stompers when to Hague but they will come back home. They offer many risks that any Filipino who have migrated abroad. And they will be ridiculed in one way or another if they fail. On hypothetically losing the case, If even leaders who knew the things they have offered still would not quantify it as a best effort... that mentality would be spread back down the line of followers.

We easily criticize China, yet we most as easily criticized even our own leaders best effort.

Is it hard for people like you to say--the PH has put its best delegation and lets hope for the best?
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South China Sea: David v Goliath as dispute goes to court
Carrie Gracie - BBC China editor
6 July 2015



It's a David and Goliath struggle at a United Nations tribunal in The Hague on Tuesday. Or it would be if Goliath had turned up.

China likes to present itself as a responsible UN player and however it may bluster about not acknowledging the tribunal's jurisdiction, a decision against it would be a diplomatic blow. It would also set a worrying precedent, possibly emboldening other territorial rivals to follow the Philippines down the same path.

As one US observer noted: "Only China can contain China", and it is making a good job of it, pushing worried neighbours into the secure embrace of the United States with an escalated programme of joint exercises and military assistance.

Beijing tells its neighbours to see this as a vision of shared destiny. But does the South China Sea trump this economic integration project? Or vice versa? China's neighbours need reassurance not intimidation.




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South China Sea dispute between China, Philippines heads to court
Tue Jul 7, 2015 10:23am EDT

By Toby Sterling

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Philippines argued at a closed hearing on Tuesday that an international court should intervene in its dispute with China over the right to exploit natural resources and fish in the South China Sea.

Though China has declined to participate, the case at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague is being closely watched by Asian governments and Washington, given rising regional tensions as Chinese naval power grows.

A panel of five judges will hear arguments this week and decide whether the treaty-based court has jurisdiction.


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FULL TEXT: DFA chief addresses UN tribunal at The Hague
(philstar.com) | Updated July 8, 2015 - 3:32pm

Foreign Affairs Sec. Albert del Rosario on Tuesday gave a statement before the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, Netherlands explaining why the Philippines filed the case against China.

The full text of his speech, as it was delivered, was released by the Department of Foreign Affairs on Wednesday with the subtitle "Why the Philippines brought this case to arbitration and its importance to the region and the world."


http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/07/08/1474692/full-text-dfa-chief-addresses-un-tribunal-hague
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Jul 8 2015, 04:31 PM
FULL TEXT: DFA chief addresses UN tribunal at The Hague
(philstar.com) | Updated July 8, 2015 - 3:32pm

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/07/08/1474692/full-text-dfa-chief-addresses-un-tribunal-hague
From the above post:

"The Philippines is NOT asking the Tribunal to rule on the territorial sovereignty aspect of its disputes with China. We are here because we wish to clarify our maritime entitlements in the South China Sea, a question over which the Tribunal has jurisdiction. This is a matter that is most important not only to the Philippines, but also to all coastal States that border the South China Sea, and even to all the States Parties to UNCLOS. It is a dispute that goes to the very heart of UNCLOS itself."

- Foreign Affairs Sec. Albert del Rosario


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Court begins hearing Philippines, China dispute over South China Sea
Reuters By Toby Sterling
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AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Philippines argued at a closed hearing on Tuesday that an international court should intervene in its dispute with China over the right to exploit natural resources and fish in the South China Sea.

While the hearings are closed to the public, the court said in a statement it had allowed small delegations from Vietnam, Malaysia, Japan, Indonesia and Thailand to observe proceedings after getting requests from those countries.



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