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PH Files Case vs China Before UNCLOS Tribunal; Ph challenges China's 9-dash claims in WPS at UN Tribunal
Topic Started: Jan 22 2013, 05:03 PM (50,583 Views)
wily_pest
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from shoot-to-kill:

this was the plan back then by marcos but was stop by the americans since they don't want vietnam to have a war on two fronts( sa mga magtatanong ng links know your freaking history)

i think u are the one on steriods. it has nothing to do with marcos, or the americans. when opportunity presents itself in the near future, get the island back..............cowards need not join the venture and should shut their mouths. let men do what men do.........protecting what's theirs.

many times it's better for cowards not to show up. their mere presence can mean disaster on their side.
Edited by wily_pest, Feb 2 2013, 12:11 PM.
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pach,

the chinks are not kidding anyone........certainly not anymore. they are shameless and do not care about their reputation bec they have none. they are liars and murderers from the very beginning.

that's what arms are for..........when all else fails, the side of reason has to resort to it.

it should be made clear for many in the senate and congress that there may come a time, they wished they approved bigger milt. budgets. the fools don't see too far and is disposed to only seeing in hindsight when things become too shaky.
Edited by wily_pest, Feb 2 2013, 12:12 PM.
Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu
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Philippines should ignore their (Chinese) over-used stance of bilateral talks. How can we have friendly talks and negotiations if they keep on harassing our fisher folks in the area? how can we have this bilateral meetings while they continue to bully and assert claims on the area by issuing policies to board vessels and sending paramilitary patrols? The last incident (ordering the fishermen sheltering at the shoal to leave despite bad weather and blasting a horn at 10 meters) was the breaking point of our leaders to push the case to the UN and that is it. Let the Politburo in Beijing do what they are comfortable to do and we continue what we had just started and we'll see come third week of this month.
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shoot_to_kill
Jan 30 2013, 07:39 PM
wily_pest
Jan 30 2013, 03:48 PM
And for those who call the Filipinos as "lousy cowards," a swift take over of the occupied Pugad Island will be the example the Phil. can use to show China, Vietnam, Malaysia and the world, it can back up it's agenda by force and the new milt. power has arrived.

A silent insertion of navy SEALs can be made to take over the Viet garrison and then a landing of the main force. Or, a quick 30 sec. bombardment of the garrison and landing the main force. Either way, I am cool with that. The trick is to make sure the PN will maintain a blockade around the island for an indefinite period of time.

What does it really take to force an occupation? Even an army 1st Lt. can conceptualize the tactics.

And as I said before the civilian population can continue to go about it's business as legal permanent residents of the Phil. island they occupied. Their children born there at the occupation will be Phil. citizens, going to an imposed Phil. public school. The truth of the matter is most of them will probably rather live under Phil. freedom than their communist one as long as they are treated correctly.


this was the plan back then by marcos but was stop by the americans since they don't want vietnam to have a war on two fronts( sa mga magtatanong ng links know your freaking history)


Your freaking history is inaccurate, its not that the Americans didnt want war on two fronts, the truth was the Americans and their South Vietnamese lackeys were already defeated by the North Vietnamese in April 1975, North Vietnam troops have also occupied Pugad Island, defeating the South Vietnamese garrison there (the ones who earlier invaded the island via the "party fiasco").

The shamed and demoralized Americans had no stomach for renewed warfare over a speck of land if when all they had in mind was evacuate Vietnam ASAP.

The decrepit, severely corrupt Marcos military at the time was'nt in any way capable of taking on the newly victorious North Vietnamese on its own.
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http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-inbox/veteran-diplomat-advice-ph-un-case-vs-china-034115248.html

The Philippines has finally brought to the compulsory dispute mechanism of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) its conflict with China over some areas in the West Philippine Sea. Finally, because many believe that this action should have been done before 25 August 2006, when China declared “it does not accept any of the procedure provided for in section 2 of Part V of the Convention referred to in paragraph (a) (b) and (c) of Article 298 of the Convention.”
Be that as it may, we should accept and support the wisdom and circumtances which led the Philippines to file the case with the Arbitral Tribunal. Views on why only now, why the Arbitral Tribunal, and why file it all, should now focus on how best to contend with China’s possible defense that the dispute is subject to its reservations.

That we filed the case is not yet an achievement and we should be fully prepared and persevere just in case proceedings start.

The first obvious step is to desist from too much off-tangent remarks that may pre-empt the positions of prospective arbitrators and also our counsels. We also run the risk of telegraphing our positions. President Aquino cautioned against “giving the other side a preview of everything that we will do.”

Related story: After China snub, what now?

General expressions of support from nations should be welcomed with quiet dignity and gratitude. Besides the case may fall already under the subjudice rule.

Our statement of Notification and Claim has remarkable parallel with the Statement of Claim of Barbados against Trinidad and Tabago concerning the delimitation of the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf between the two states.

There may be lessons to be learned comparing the two Statements.

The Barbados Statement is more detailed than the Philippine Statement. Unless it is a matter of tactics or strategy, we must specify in our Memorials, which I assume will be submitted later, what we want the Arbitral Tribunal to award us, and why. This will avoid a possible decision not to take cognizance of the case for failure to state legal,convincing cause of action.

In subsequent submissions, we must define what we mean by “unlawful activities”; specify the “acts of interferences” by China, what and where are the “rocks” located; why is China’s nine-dash-line contrary to UNCLOS; and what provisions or articles of the Convention have been violated.

Also read: How much PH stands to lose in dispute with China

If reports in the printed media are correct, the Philippines is requesting the Arbitral Tribunal to issue among others, an Award that “Declares that China’s rights in regard to maritime areas in the South China Sea, like the rights of the Philippines, are those that are established by UNCLOS, and consist of its rights to a Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone under Part II of UNCLOS, to an EEZ under Part V, and to a Continental Shelf under Part VI.”

Do we really admit that China has such rights in the South China Sea?

It is important that we submit a petition for “Provisional Remedies” to protect our sovereign rights in the West Philippine Sea. The fact that we have gone to the Arbitral Tribunal will not stop Chinese activities in the area. It is right and necessary since the case will take years before a decision is made, it at all.

Some believe our resort to arbitration is a sign that our diplomacy failed. Perhaps but this should not prevent the Philippines from trying again. Both countries desire a peaceful and just solutions to the South China Sea issue. And domestic structures and geopolitical environment are ever changing.

Diplomacy requires confident, creative and consistent improvisation and imagination to deal with uncertainties in a creative way.

(The author is a veteran Philippine diplomat. He was the Philippine Permament Representative to the United Nations (May 2003- Feb.2007). Prior to that, he was Foreign Affairs Undersecretary for Policy.)

(VERA Files is put out by veteran journalists taking a deeper look at current issues. Vera is Latin for “true.”)
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I agree that govt personalities should stop exploiting all the options that are being done, and be discreet instead! This is to ensure that the Chi's govt will not be able to pre-emptively make their move and will jeopardize our claims.

Information blackout should be implemented. And no EPAL's allowed.
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China must stop threats in maritime disputes—US

Agence France-Presse
1:24 pm | Thursday, February 7th, 2013

WASHINGTON—US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Wednesday urged China to avoid confrontation and seek out a peaceful dialogue with Japan and other countries over territorial disputes.
The Pentagon chief said he has appealed to his counterparts in Beijing to negotiate regional agreements to defuse an array of disagreements over maritime territory.
Asked about tensions between China and Japan over the Senkaku Islands after giving a speech at Georgetown University, Panetta voiced concern that “it’s the kind of situation where there are territorial claims that could ultimately get out of hand.”
He added: “One country or the other could react in a way that could create an even greater crisis.”
Tensions rose over the island dispute as Japan said a Chinese frigate had locked its weapon-targeting radar on a Japanese warship in the East China Sea last week. Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called the move “dangerous” and “provocative.”

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Manila's lonely path over South China Sea

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Greg Torode says Manila stands very much alone - for now - in its decision to take Beijing to UN arbitration over the South China Sea

It is probably just as well that Philippine lawyers and officials spent months quietly working out the strategy and legal steps required to force China to UN arbitration over the South China Sea. For, nearly three weeks after Manila launched its unprecedented action, it is increasingly clear that theirs will be a lonely road.

The sound of collective teeth sucking has been audible in pockets across Southeast Asia, particularly Singapore, amid fears the unilateral move will further dent the already battered hopes that the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China can successfully negotiate an easing of tensions.

A Singaporean foreign ministry statement was noticeably bland, while an editorial in The Straits Times warned of the "provocative effect" of Manila's gambit and its threat to Asean-China efforts. The editorial noted that even if a judgment went the Philippines' way, Manila would have "no mandate or capacity to enforce it", so "other Asean claimants may be circumspect about following the Philippines' litigious lead".

In the words of one Singaporean scholar, it was hardly a ringing endorsement from a nation with a long track record of publicly urging China to clarify the controversial "nine-dash line" on which it bases its claim to virtually the entire South China Sea. Singapore is not a claimant but, like Indonesia, is close to the southern reach of the line.




http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1148094/manilas-lonely-path-over-south-china-sea
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This reminds me a famous poem by Indian noble laureate Rabindranath Tagore 'Ekla Chalo Re' or Walk alone.



If they answer not to thy call walk alone

If they are afraid and cower mutely facing the wall,
O thou unlucky one,
open thy mind and speak out alone.

If they turn away, and desert you when crossing the wilderness,
O thou unlucky one,
trample the thorns under thy tread,
and along the blood-lined track travel alone.

If they do not hold up the light when the night is troubled with storm,
O thou unlucky one,
with the thunder flame of pain ignite thy own heart,
and let it burn alone.

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alone but brave despite the odds, so even vietnam did not muster the courage to file a similar complaint. and as usual singapore is playing safe, too afraid of china.

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