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The possibility of CHINA's ADIZ in WPS; on "How" and " Why?" all related to the cause..
Topic Started: Dec 3 2013, 11:32 PM (3,137 Views)
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The question that we should be asking as well is "Which MRF from the two will be more effective dancing and has more chance on survivability against a J-10 or an SU-30, 33?

I'll add the possibility of China getting the SU-35 just for good measures.

To answer the question. If DND and PAF insists on getting b-new like they are projecting: F-18 E/F but that would mean only getting anywhere between 4-8 units max because of budget restraints. Has good range, powerful AESA radar and can be used as maritime strike/maritime air-support for our obvious lacking PN. Can break a standoff between our underpowered and outnumbered ships vs foreign aggressive ships. This is actually the F-18s specialty. Soon, it will be able to carry 4 Harpoons so in theory only 1 F-18 E/F can do a maritime strike mission that 2 F-16s have to do in a maritime strike mission. As for air-to-air since F-18 E/F means only getting a few units - dogfighting should only be a last resort. BVR vs BVR F-18 E/F wins on any SU-30 w/o BARs radar (only India has this) with it's powerful AESA radar and be competitive with a SU-35 presuming Russia also gives them the default IRBIS radar. If Russia decides to only equip Chinese SU-35 with a less powerful radar then F-18 E/F have a slight edge.

If DND/PAF will now re-consider refurbished and upgraded MRFs. Either a refurbished F-18 C/D with RACR/SABR AESA radar or refurbished F-15C also with same radars or better if the US is willing to give a better one. By going this route we can possibly buy 12 or more units at a time as oppose to buying only 6 units or so a time over a course of many years in-between ff-up contracts when buying b-new MRFs.

If we don't have control on what we get and we are offered the Egyptian F-16s at a good price then why not. It's readily available, b-new, only needs to re-activate ability to fire AIM-120s and delivery would only be limited to how fast we train our pilots since it's just lying around.

Waiting until 2020?? Too late, IMO. We need something fast.
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^ I agree w/ you Ice!

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If we don't have control on what we get and we are offered the Egyptian F-16s at a good price then why not. It's readily available, b-new, only needs to re-activate ability to fire AIM-120s and delivery would only be limited to how fast we train our pilots since it's just lying around.


The " If " will only happen if the present administration w/ the politokos decides to take money and just be contented w/ EDA freebees, in return for the basing agreement instead of asking the US to help continuously rebuilding of the modernization of our Armed Forces. That's if they'll consider including these options? If the Ph Govt. decides to go w/ EDA's, we won't be getting Egyptian F-16s, but maybe something w/ less specs... :dunno:
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Andres Boning
Dec 6 2013, 05:24 PM
^ I agree w/ you Ice!

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If we don't have control on what we get and we are offered the Egyptian F-16s at a good price then why not. It's readily available, b-new, only needs to re-activate ability to fire AIM-120s and delivery would only be limited to how fast we train our pilots since it's just lying around.


The " If " will only happen if the present administration w/ the politokos decides to take money and just be contented w/ EDA freebees, in return for the basing agreement instead of asking the US to help continuously rebuilding of the modernization of our Armed Forces. That's if they'll consider including these options? If the Ph Govt. decides to go w/ EDA's, we won't be getting Egyptian F-16s, but maybe something w/ less specs... :dunno:
That's why it's imperative to have a good DND Sec. Someone the likes of current DFA Sec. Del Rosario with his charm, wit and articulation could possibly sway the US into giving us meaningful military wares as a proportionate 'payment' for increase rotational US forces. Our geography do have a good location for being so close to China and the US' sky-high approval ratings with our country.



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^Hell yah! I will even vote for Sec del Rosario if ever he runs for President! He's straight to the point, really dedicated to his job and plays the part even when he got sick, more deserving than others at present..

Going back to topic;

In my opinion, I think China will have a hard time justifying any plans to set up ADIZ in WPS/ SCS area since it's more or less 1000 miles distance. They can't even use Paracel Islands to justfy their means for it is also a disputed island and the same with the KIG/ Spratly Islands.

The Philippines, given it's true history, it's very close proximity to Scarborough Shoal and under the UNCLOS have total rights , it's part of Philippine territory. It is a different story compared to the East China Sea conflict.
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This could be part of their plans to test how far can they get away with it.. It seems that they are trying to copy what Russia is doing in all aspects.

A similar scenario may arise in WPS, now that China is about to finish their artificial island madness, particularly the aircraft carrier look alike and maybe it's only a matter of time before a China ADIZ is declared.



China air force slips past PH, Taiwan for drills in 'far offshore' Pacific

http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/88514-china-air-force-drills-pacific-ocean

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Several aircraft from China's People's Liberation Army (PLA), on March 30, flew over the ocean via the Bashi Channel, which runs between Taiwan and the Philippines, Xinhua reports.

BEIJING, China – China's air force has carried out its first ever military drill over the western Pacific Ocean, state media said, highlighting Beijing's growing military reach.

Several aircraft from China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) on Monday, March 30, flew over the ocean via the Bashi Channel, which runs between Taiwan and the Philippines, the official Xinhua news agency said.




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