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| Uzizero | Aug 17 2004, 09:56 PM Post #1 |
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CAMP KOREAN VILLAGE, Iraq --- Steering themselves from nearly two miles high to within less than 200 meters of their target, the Marine Corps’ two newest skydivers made their first combat zone landing Aug. 9, 2004, near here. The jumpers, however, are machines. Smart machines. Programmed with the drop zone’s coordinates, guided by the Global Positioning System, and maneuvered by motor-tugged lines, the Sherpa units each sat atop a pallet of rations for Marines here, riding them to Earth and ushering in the future of cargo delivery by air. (...SNIPPED...MODERATOR EDIT FOR LENGTH) link Edited by MSantor, Sep 21 2015, 12:10 PM.
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| aldon | Aug 18 2004, 10:59 AM Post #2 |
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'Win-win'? How can it be 'win-win' when they have to resort to airdropping their supplies? I don't know, but it seems to me that the Americans are the ones being beseiged here. The Americans may be the master of the conventional warfare but they're newbies in the unconventional one. |
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| Talon | Aug 18 2004, 02:22 PM Post #3 |
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Newbies, my ass, from what experience are you speaking of? We have been fighting jungle and guerrilla warfare since the age of colonies and you call the Americans newbies in unconventional warfare? And new technology will make us even more better and effective at it boy. |
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| aldon | Aug 18 2004, 05:19 PM Post #4 |
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None whatsoever. I am only a civilian after all. But I am also a student of history. Let's look at the major conflicts that America has participated in after WW2. 1. Korean War (conventional) - a stalemate, though it could have ended with a victory if the UN allowed the 'coalition' to push through. 2. Vietnam War (un-conventional) - a loss. All the B52s, F4s, A4s, tanks and carriers could not defeat a few guerillas armed with AK47s, pajamas and slippers. 3-4. Invasions of Grenada and Panama (conventional) - both victories. Superior tactics and technology at work. Pre-lude to 'shock-and-awe'. 5. Gulf War 1 (conventional) - a victory, based on the objective of liberating Kuwait. Stealth aircrafts, depleted-uranium shells, laser-guided bombs, etc. 6. Mogadishu, Somalia (un-conventional) - loss. 'Black Hawk Down'. US Rangers had to be bailed out of city full of RPG- and AK47-wielding mobs by Malaysian troops. 7. Gulf War 2 (conventional) - a victory. 'Shock-and-awe'. 8. Iraq Post GW2 (un-conventional) - ??. A thousand US troops had already died after Bush has already called it 'mission accomplished'. Mainly due to guerilla tactics. Actually, more US troops had died after the war than during the actual war itself. So there. Even though you are the king of conventional warfare, your record in unconvetional ones are not good. But I have no doubt that America can find a way to deal with guerilla tactics if you have the right political will to do so. So yeah, the 'newbies' can become 'experts' too. |
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| aldon | Aug 18 2004, 05:25 PM Post #5 |
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By the way, next time leave the trailer-trash talk at home. If you want a debate, do so civilly. It doesn't help your case if you perpetuate the image of un-civilised redneck American (if that is what you really are). |
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| Switik | Aug 18 2004, 05:31 PM Post #6 |
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Age of colonies?, Talon, even during the so-called Philippine Insurrection, American patrols were regularly clobbered by Pulahans and other native 'rebels' armed only with bamboo spears and bolos. Remember the juramentados? How many American heads were whacked off by the kris, quite a lot. No one can defeat your armies in conventional warfare, but in non-linear combat, you are being slowly bled to death. |
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| Numbers | Aug 18 2004, 08:55 PM Post #7 |
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Talon, look at this image of your high technology weapon destroyed by insurgents in Iraq.
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One little two little three little four little... Behind every successful man, there is a woman And behind every unsuccessful man, there are two. A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... | |
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| Alamid | Aug 19 2004, 10:47 AM Post #8 |
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That M1 was knocked out by IED exploding right under the hull, crew rescued with minor injuries. The Abrams has proven itself to be crew-friendly many times over. |
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| Talon | Aug 19 2004, 02:58 PM Post #9 |
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Vietnam was a political defeat, not a military defeat . Same with Somalia. Afghanistan and Iraq remain hot zones but looking up. 1000 dead in Iraq, as far as im concerned, its a pretty low figure relative to other wars and conflicts. |
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| Kampilan | Aug 20 2004, 02:08 PM Post #10 |
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Talking about Filipinos killing Americans with bolos, here's a good example: Joseph Schott, describing the Balangiga Massacre in his book, The Ordeal of Samar: On the night of September 27, the American sentries on the guard posts were surprised by the unusual number of women hurrying to church. They were all heavily clothed, which was unusual, and many carried small coffins. A sergeant, vaguely suspicious, stopped one woman and pried open her coffin with his bayonet. Inside he found the body of a child. The woman hysterically cried, "El Colera!" The sergeant nailed the coffin again and let the woman pass. He concluded that the cholera and fever were in epidemic stage and carrying off children in great numbers. But it was strange that no news of any such epidemic had reached the garrison. If the sergeant had been less abashed and had searched beneath the child's body, he would have found the keen blades of cane cutting bolo knives. All the coffins were loaded with them. At 6:20 that morning, Pedro Sanchez, the native chief of police, lined up around 80 native laborers to start their daily cleanup of the town. The entire Company C, comprising of seventy one men and three officers, was already awake, having breakfast at the mess tents. There were now only three armed Americans out in the town- the sentries walking their posts. In the church, scores of bolomen quietly honed their gleaming blades and awaited a signal. Pedro Sanchez walked behind a sentry and with casual swiftness, he grabbed the sentry's rifle and brought the butt down in a smashing blow on his head. Then Sanchez fired the rifle, yelled out a signal and all hell broke loose. The church bell ding-donged crazily and conch shell whistles blew shrilly from the edge of the jungle. The doors of the church burst open and out streamed the mob of bolomen who had been waiting inside. The native laborers working about the town plaza suddenly turned on the soldiers and began chopping at them with bolos, picks and shovels. The mess tents, filled with soldiers peacefully at breakfast, had been one of the prime targets of the bolomen. They burst in screaming and slashing. A bolo swished through the air, made a sodden chunking sound against the back of a sergeant's neck, severing his head. As the soldiers rose up and began fighting with chairs and kitchen utensils, the Filipinos outside cut the tent ropes, causing the tents to collapse on the struggling men. The Filipinos then ran in all directions to slash with bolos and axes at the forms struggling under the canvas. The US military described this incident as its worst single defeat in the Philippines and among the worst defeats in its entire history. |
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