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Rizal Reef; Potential Improvement?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2013, 10:17 PM (2,460 Views)
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Let me entail you a short story as to why I made this thread.

As I was reading through vast DND PDF documents, I saw an eye-catching one about "transparency queries" of the DND. I browsed it, then I saw this; (source: My Webpage, query no. 23)

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The main consideration in the construction of CWS in Rizal Reef which is submerged in water will entail a massive construction of pile foundation intended for the platform for its facilities (i.e. Antenna Tower, CWS Building, Helipad, etc.


I am too tired to find what a CWS really means, but "Rizal Reef", "Antenna Tower", "Helipad" and "CWS Building" provided me with enough clues as to what it really is.

Tiny bit of pictures about our mini-fort in Rizal Reef (circa 2011)

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The PCG have asked the Tubbataha Protected Area Management Board and WWF-Philippines to use the same plan they are using for the planned ranger station. The design takes into consideration the environmental impact by limiting its footprint and minimizing the changes to be made in its surroundings but at the same time effectively utilize and accommodate all the necessary things needed to monitor its area of responsibility.
Maybe the Navy could to the same.

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It has a helipad. The hexagon-shaped main center features a glass dome that will provide the navy personnel with a 360-degree view of the area, and overhanging troughs to collect rainwater. It will also house a visitor center, and stepladder planters for growing vegetables. This could also be a tourist destination! :specool: Solar panels and micro wind turbines will be used to generate renewable energy for the station. Potential cost P40 million.
I would just suggest to build a small landing area/port area to elevate rhibs or small boats in trailers rather than sitting in the water 24/7. They couldn't do that in Tubbataha. If I was a soldier, I would love to be stationed in a place like that. It will be a great morale booster.
Just thinking out loud. I pity our soldiers manning those outposts.
Tubbataha Reef Planned Ranger Station
Edited by Santi Kampilan, Oct 11 2013, 03:03 AM.
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Santi Kampilan
Oct 11 2013, 02:51 AM
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Potential cost P40 million.

Tubbataha Reef Planned Ranger Station
It's beautiful, functional, and ecologically sound. A morale booster indeed. I'd say that would be a million dollars well spent. Even at 2 milliion dollars, it would be worth it.


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Oct 11 2013, 02:51 AM
The PCG have asked the Tubbataha Protected Area Management Board and WWF-Philippines to use the same plan they are using for the planned ranger station. The design takes into consideration the environmental impact by limiting its footprint and minimizing the changes to be made in its surroundings but at the same time effectively utilize and accommodate all the necessary things needed to monitor its area of responsibility.
Maybe the Navy could to the same.

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It has a helipad. The hexagon-shaped main center features a glass dome that will provide the navy personnel with a 360-degree view of the area, and overhanging troughs to collect rainwater. It will also house a visitor center, and stepladder planters for growing vegetables. This could also be a tourist destination! :specool: Solar panels and micro wind turbines will be used to generate renewable energy for the station. Potential cost P40 million.
I would just suggest to build a small landing area/port area to elevate rhibs or small boats in trailers rather than sitting in the water 24/7. They couldn't do that in Tubbataha. If I was a soldier, I would love to be stationed in a place like that. It will be a great morale booster.
Just thinking out loud. I pity our soldiers manning those outposts.
Tubbataha Reef Planned Ranger Station
may i ask where the PCG are plannning to build their facility? and do you have links to any article/report about this? thanks
Edited by ganymede09, Oct 11 2013, 10:28 AM.
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^^Planned at Tubataha Reef. The Link is there, and it states... "We have been asked by the Coast Guard if they can use the same design and we said, yes please do," said Tan, adding that it may also be freely utilized in other tourist attractions in the country."

Which is why I think the original poster suggested the same could be built at Rizal Reef.
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Oct 11 2013, 01:13 PM
^^Planned at Tubataha Reef. The Link is there, and it states... "We have been asked by the Coast Guard if they can use the same design and we said, yes please do," said Tan, adding that it may also be freely utilized in other tourist attractions in the country."

Which is why I think the original poster suggested the same could be built at Rizal Reef.
The ranger station at Tubattaha reef is under the Tubattaha Protected Area Management Board which is different from the Phil.Coast Guard. They may work together on occassion but they are separate entities. WWF is helping out with rebuilding the station so I guess the design is theirs thats why the PCG is requesting permission to copy it.
I failed to clarify my original question which is if Santi knows 'where do the PCG plan to build their own facility based on that design', and I also hadnt noticed the link at the bottom so didnt realize he just based that coast guard statement from the blog. sorry for that.
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Oct 11 2013, 03:42 PM
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Oct 11 2013, 01:13 PM
^^Planned at Tubataha Reef. The Link is there, and it states... "We have been asked by the Coast Guard if they can use the same design and we said, yes please do," said Tan, adding that it may also be freely utilized in other tourist attractions in the country."

Which is why I think the original poster suggested the same could be built at Rizal Reef.
The ranger station at Tubattaha reef is under the Tubattaha Protected Area Management Board which is different from the Phil.Coast Guard. They may work together on occassion but they are separate entities. WWF is helping out with rebuilding the station so I guess the design is theirs thats why the PCG is requesting permission to copy it.
I failed to clarify my original question which is if Santi knows 'where do the PCG plan to build their own facility based on that design', and I also hadnt noticed the link at the bottom so didnt realize he just based that coast guard statement from the blog. sorry for that.
Yup. I was merely quoting PCG's request. Where they will build it we don't know. But this concept can be applied for the conditions we currently have in the Spratly's. I think if PCG/ Navy can even secure the other islands such as Sabina Shoal, Reed Bank, Half Moon Shoal, especially those close to the Palawan area, then allow agencies like PTA(Philippine Tourism Authority) or even private non-profit organizations such as TPAMB to develop it for tourism purposes then agencies like TIEZA, who will fund the Tubbataha Ranger Station, can fund these outposts for tourism purposes and not military purposes. Pretty soon you'll have diving tours and island hopping tours popping up in the Spratlys.

Obviously this dream needs to coincide with the current developments with DFA's filing with UNCLOS. Once there is a final ruling the plan can be implemented without hesitation, assuming China plays dead. :armyLol: (which we know they won't).

Hong, thanks for answering for me while I was in hiatus. I would have said the same thing.

Kudos to Dylan Melgazo for designing this beautiful station.

http://youtu.be/Jg_3byRTcCA

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The key would be using our civilian arm to develop those outlaying outposts and turn them for tourism purposes instead of the Navy or the Marines.
If we are going to militarized it like China and the others are doing, we might as well turn it to something like this.......

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Edited by Santi Kampilan, Oct 11 2013, 11:58 PM.
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deep^^Planned at Tubataha Reef. The Link is there, and it states... "We have been asked by the Coast Guard if they can use the same design and we said, yes please do," said Tan, adding that it may also be freely utilized in other tourist attractions in the country."

Which is why I think the original poster suggested the same could be built at Rizal Reef.
Yup. I was merely quoting PCG's request. Where they will build it we don't know. But this concept can be applied for the conditions we currently have in the Spratly's. I think if PCG/ Navy can even secure the other islands such as Sabina Shoal, Reed Bank, Half Moon Shoal, especially those close to the Palawan area, then allow agencies like PTA(Philippine Tourism Authority) or even private non-profit organizations such as TPAMB to develop it for tourism purposes then agencies like TIEZA, who will fund the Tubbataha Ranger Station, can fund these outposts for tourism purposes and not military purposes. Pretty soon you'll have diving tours and island hopping tours popping up in the Spratlys.

Obviously this dream needs to coincide with the current developments with DFA's filing with UNCLOS. Once there is a final ruling the plan can be implemented without hesitation, assuming China plays dead. :armyLol: (which we know they won't).

Hong, thanks for answering for me while I was in hiatus. I would have said the same thing.

Kudos to Dylan Melgazo for designing this beautiful station.

http://youtu.be/Jg_3byRTcCA

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The key would be using our civilian arm to develop those outlaying outposts and turn them for tourism purposes instead of the Navy or the Marines.
If we are going to militarized it like China and the others are doing, we might as well turn it to something like this.......

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Fort Drum, the former El Flaile Island, prior to WWII. :rifle: At the entrance of Manila Bay.






I don't think putting civvies at the equation will not deter China. Remember something called the Tiananmen incident?

Turning it into something like El Fraile Battery would be logical, sans battleship-type guns. If the project for the rehabilitation of the Rizal reef fort goes through, then land-based AShMs and other air defense assets would then be able to be stationed at the fort.

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@Para. Well, we know that they are not going to play dead even if the ruling favors us, especially in the Spratlys. I'm curious though on those other outlaying reefs that are still unoccupied like the Half moon shoal or Sabina Shoal which is so close to Palawan. Once we have the ruling, the navy secures it, China does not say anything because it is close to us, then MAYBE we can put up structures for tourism purposes. Remember now there is a slew of drillings in the Palawan Passage close to those shoals this year and the next which actually is straddling the Nine-Dash-Line but drillings are in full bore. Even the Malampaya and Galoc fields are straddling the Nine-dash-Line and the Chicoms can't do diddly.

Tiananmen Square Massacre is within their backyard and that's internal insurrection and killing Filipino civilian communities like the one in Pag-Asa will be two different things. But I get your drift that these Chicoms are heartless SOB's and they may not give a hoot whether it is civilian or military especially the Spratlys being part of its "core interest". But now everybody is watching them how they behave. It is easier to go to the top but once your there you need to have the best behavior otherwise you'll be perceived as the #1 enemy.
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@Para. Well, we know that they are not going to play dead even if the ruling favors us, especially in the Spratlys. I'm curious though on those other outlaying reefs that are still unoccupied like the Half moon shoal or Sabina Shoal which is so close to Palawan. Once we have the ruling, the navy secures it, China does not say anything because it is close to us, then MAYBE we can put up structures for tourism purposes. Remember now there is a slew of drillings in the Palawan Passage close to those shoals this year and the next which actually is straddling the Nine-Dash-Line but drillings are in full bore. Even the Malampaya and Galoc fields are straddling the Nine-dash-Line and the Chicoms can't do diddly.

Tiananmen Square Massacre is within their backyard and that's internal insurrection and killing Filipino civilian communities like the one in Pag-Asa will be two different things. But I get your drift that these Chicoms are heartless SOB's and they may not give a hoot whether it is civilian or military especially the Spratlys being part of its "core interest". But now everybody is watching them how they behave. It is easier to go to the top but once your there you need to have the best behavior otherwise you'll be perceived as the #1 enemy.
Essentially, if our homeland units could reach a place in time, then it is safe to place civvies there, in my opinion.

Although you are correct that Tiananmen is an internal matter of theirs, what's to stop them from thinking that anything that happens in the WPS is also an internal matter?

If the design could be changed for more improvements in "battle-worthiness" and and "battle damage resistance", then why not?
Edited by Parastriker, Oct 12 2013, 10:58 AM.
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