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| HK Bus Hostage Tragedy 2010 (aftermath. etc.); updates, discussions | |
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| astro_boy2005 | Nov 9 2013, 08:40 PM Post #201 |
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DFA on Erap's HK apology: Aquino's stand prevails I think former President Estrada, as mayor, is acting on his own, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario told reporters in an interview. In a separate interview, DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez : for now, there is no such move to prevent Estrada from apologizing. I don't want to say something about what should and what shouldn't be done. But he knows exactly the position of the President, and that should be enough guidance for everyone, Hernandez said. Aquino, on the other hand, repeated his position against a government apology on Wednesday, October 23. Our position is, the act of one individual (who was) probably mentally unstable at that point in time, should not be construed as the act of the entire country and therefore, we have, again, we reiterated our utmost regret as to what has happened, the President said in a forum with foreign correspondents. Source |
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| boxster | Nov 9 2013, 08:42 PM Post #202 |
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What on earth are you saying? Philosopher? Now thats funny.. How did you know we dont care about our fellow filipinos? In fact the position taken by the president was for the benefit of all filipinos...if you want to apologize be my guess..read astroboys post again.. |
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| Aero | Nov 9 2013, 08:45 PM Post #203 |
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Yes that would be the fault of the hostage taker, anyways even the media is a part failure here, showing in the national television the video of the hostage takers brother being arrested can be seen inside the bus. Although this is the different issue with territorial dispute we must admit there is a mistake on how the scenario was handled. I support the president on the Territorial dispute but this one is not a territorial dispute and is clearly a mishandled situation. |
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| Aero | Nov 9 2013, 08:49 PM Post #204 |
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Anyways, any ones opinion here doesn't matter for them, because its not us who decides. Anyways you seemed to derail the real issue I was talking such as posting below the belt for me should be avoided. That was the only thing I am pointing. I hope you have no more reasons to cover that. Edited by Aero, Nov 9 2013, 08:53 PM.
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| astro_boy2005 | Nov 9 2013, 08:55 PM Post #205 |
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Here are couple of answers for you Aero: 1. It establishes a precedence of guilt for future government acts that, through the acts of criminal or unstable minds, end up tragically. 2. It risks encouraging Chinese adventurism by showing the Philippines as weak. 3. It undermines the Presidents firm stance which protects the sovereignty of the Philippines in its broader resistance against Chinese territorial expansion. |
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| icefrog | Nov 9 2013, 08:59 PM Post #206 |
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Last thing we need in this forum is for fellow members, moderators and admins telling you what you can or can't say and even label you a troll just because you have a difference of opinion or on the other side of the political spectrum. |
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| Aero | Nov 9 2013, 09:08 PM Post #207 |
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How come Philippine is weak if you apologize? So if you commit mistake and you apologize are you weak already, soemtimes you need to sacrifice for the good of the many. Well, I will only support the president if it is purely a territorial claim, but a mistake is a mistake, remember it was his ally Lim who is the mayor when that happened do you remember him blaming Lim? (He even cleared Lim's name and is not liable).
Palace Cleans Lim's name even the investigation finds him Liable NOW WE CAN ADD ANOTHER ONE ON THE LIST For me its not just Territorial dispute, it is also and issue of political affiliation. 1. Erap wants to apologize either to defuse the tension or just as to for political reasons, (LP vs UNA) 2. PNoy wants to cover up the mistakes of his allies who handled the crisis 3. The China Issue But in the end it is those common worker who loses not ERAP or PNoy or Hongkong, it is those OFW who are already abused and now risking to lose their job. Now we have a clearer picture on the issue, PNoy defending LIM and Erap wanting to blame Lim so he apologizes for LIM's mistake It seems now that ERAP "ay ginagatungan yung issue". Edited by Aero, Nov 9 2013, 09:26 PM.
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| boxster | Nov 9 2013, 10:15 PM Post #208 |
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Ganito lang yun aero...tatagalugin kona para maintindihan mo..di mangyayari lahat ng ito kung walang nasiraan na ulong ex policeman na naghostage ng mga tourist..di rin lalala ang situation kung ang media ay di lumampas sa kanilang limitasyon..ang pagpapakita ng movement ng mga swat pati posisyon ng ating mga snipers..ang pagtetelevise ng pagkahuli ng kanyang kapatid ang lalong nagpagalit sa kanya at nagudyok sa kanya na patayin ang kanayang mga hostages..suriin mo rin pinagmulan ng galit ng hostage taker..may kaso sya sa ombudsman na instead na tulungan mailahad ang kanyang posisyon ay hiningan pa sya ng pera para lang dinggin ang kanyang appeal for reconsideration.. Ngayon bakit hihingi ng apology ang ating pangulo ?di bat nagpahatid na tayo ng pakikiramay sa nangyari at magbibigay tayo ng kompensasyon para maibsahan ang galit ng kamaganak ng namatayan? ang paghinigi ng tawad ng ating pangulo ay para narin paghingi ng tawad ng buong sambayanan sa kasalanan ng iisang tao...para narin pinahintulutan mo hamakin lahat ng filipino ng dahil sa iisang insidente..kung ginawa ng pangulo magapologize at pagbigyan ang hiling ng mga tao sa hongkong, tingin mo ba titigil na duon ang mga tsino? Hindi dahil nakahanap sila ng ating kahinaan. At maaring mas higit pa dun ang hingin nila sa atin kapalit ng pagalis ng mga sanctions nila. Ito rin ay magset ng masamang precedence na lahat ng gagawin krimen ng iilang pilipino ay maaring hingin din ng apology sa ating pangulo at kompensasyon mula sa gobyerno.ito ay pamamaraan ng china para tayo iblackmail..pakita natin sa mga ito na di tayo natitinig sa anumang panggipit..sa kabilang banda hinahanapan ng solusyon ang isyung ito na katanggap tanggap sa magkabilang panig. Bakit di mo basahin ang mga opinion ng taong bayan sa social media..lahat halos ay sangayon sa posisyon ng ating gobyerno..pati rin mga ofws sa hongkong ay nakikiisa sa hindi paghingi ng tawad ng ating pamahalaan..dahil sila mismo ay nakakranas ng pagaalipusta at pangaapi mula sa kanilng mga among tsino..ang iniisip ng pangulo ay ang kinabukasan..na di tayo dapat magpapaapi kung tayo ay nasa katwiran.. |
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| Hong Nam | Nov 9 2013, 11:09 PM Post #209 |
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I agree 100%. @Aero... In normal human interaction, an apology is easier to demand than to deliver one. Yet, it is done because it is an agreement to not do something again on behalf of the perpetrator. It tries to make things better as it is but the honourable thing to do. But his is not normal human interaction. It isn't that simple. This is global politics where nothing is black and white. Astroboy is correct. There are far more deleterious consequences which may arise from this. Most of which we cannot even seem to fathom in the present and foresee in the future. Recognize this photograph? ![]() Was an official apology ever given? NO. Compensation? YES... 30 years after (see below) Wasn't this a fiasco/disaster worse by a hundred fold? NO. I would say a thousand fold.
I respect your opinion as we are entitled to one and I admire your conviction. But opinions can change as our "eyes" are slowly opened up to the broader context of life in general. Edited by Hong Nam, Nov 9 2013, 11:16 PM.
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| Hong Nam | Nov 9 2013, 11:10 PM Post #210 |
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Google translate just went "kaput"! Poor me, No worries, I understand that some things can best be (or better) explained in your language. The statement above is meant to be a joke. Edited by Hong Nam, Nov 9 2013, 11:13 PM.
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