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| HK Bus Hostage Tragedy 2010 (aftermath. etc.); updates, discussions | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 23 2010, 12:08 PM (6,533 Views) | |
| gammy322 | Oct 23 2013, 09:28 PM Post #171 |
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PH won’t apologize to HK even if Manila does by Madel Sabater - Namit October 23, 2013 (updated) President Benigno S. Aquino III on Wednesday maintained his position that the national government will not offer an apology to Hong Kong for the Manila bus hostage crisis in 2010. He said this in reaction to a resolution passed by the City Council of Manila granting authority to former President and current Manila Mayor Joseph Estrada to personally deliver an apology to Hong Kong for the Manila bus hostage incident in 2010. Aquino reiterated his earlier position that the fault of one man should not be taken as the fault of the entire nation. “Our position is the act of one individual who is probably mentally unstable at that point in time should not be construed as the act of the entire country,” he said during the annual Presidential Forum of the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines (FOCAP) held yesterday at the historic landmark Manila Hotel. http://www.mb.com.ph/ph-wont-apologize-to-hk-even-if-manila-does/ |
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| nonong | Oct 24 2013, 08:28 AM Post #172 |
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Every foreign visitor carrying a passport and/or visa is guaranteed protection within the territorial boundaries of the Republic of the Philippines. The hostage taking incident and deaths that happened was tragic. No one was made accountable. There was no official apology given by the then budding administration. It is apparent that there is something wrong with the uncalled for treatment of the victims and their kin. Are we now so without empathy? Is the national leadership so callous that it cannot even sympathize with the deaths of innocent tourists? There is something wrong when international comity and cooperation is set aside because of the whims and caprices of the national leadership. I saw wrongdoing done to innocent hostages. Why no compensation? We should not repeat this kind of treatment. International comity, diplomacy and relations should not be disregarded because one man says he will not apologize. |
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"In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected." -Sun Tzu "Try and try until you die!" - Anonymous | |
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| Maverick 13330 | Oct 24 2013, 09:12 AM Post #173 |
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Why are so crossed on others opinion..tell yours and ill tell mine. You backed erap's position then ill stand with the presidents firm stand. You opened up the issue of guaranteed protection of foreigners well you should start first on chinese track records of abuses and death that had happened on that country. Last i checked they never made any apology not just on our OFWs but also on other countries that are employed there. The manila hostage crisis was a freak of nature and REGRETTABLE on the other hand the abuses by chinese employers are still happening while you are reading this. |
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| Maverick 13330 | Oct 24 2013, 10:08 AM Post #174 |
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I dont care much of Erap stand on this issue.. He is a part of a joke culture of our country. What im afraid of was his pronouncement that the P100M compensation that is to be funded by his chinese friends. The last time that a chinese gave him a favor, this thing happened.. Link Edited by Mckoyzzz, Oct 25 2013, 02:47 AM.
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| MSantor | Oct 24 2013, 12:26 PM Post #175 |
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Gents, Please keep the conversation civil. I will not tolerate flame wars on this topic. MSantor PDFF Staff Edited by MSantor, Oct 24 2013, 12:26 PM.
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| gammy322 | Oct 24 2013, 05:12 PM Post #176 |
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“Our position is the act of one individual who is probably mentally unstable at that point in time should not be construed as the act of the entire country,” he said during the annual Presidential Forum of the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines (FOCAP) held yesterday at the historic landmark Manila Hotel. -------- The best reply of the President on this topic. As for Erap, well... we know anyway who he really is. |
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| nonong | Oct 24 2013, 06:36 PM Post #177 |
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"Our position is the act of one individual who is probably mentally unstable at that point in time should not be construed as the act of the entire country..." How did the president come to the conclusion that the the hostage taker was probably mentally unstable? There were no conclusions mentioned in the ABS-CBN video footages. Nobody mentioned that this one act committed by a criminal should be construed as the act of the entire country. THe president is entirely missing the point. There was therefore no evidence to prove that the hostage taker was entirely criminally insane during the time of the commission of the murders. It is only based on the opinion of one man who has no empathy for his fellow human beings. It also shows that international comity was set aside in not even giving out an apology to victims of the heinous criminal act of multiple murder. I also resent the fallacies of some individuals here who say things about China which is out of order. People died and one man decided on his own not to apologize. Yes! The country is not at fault but civility, humanity and empathy suffer as a consequence! Edited by nonong, Oct 24 2013, 06:40 PM.
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"In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected." -Sun Tzu "Try and try until you die!" - Anonymous | |
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| Parastriker | Oct 24 2013, 07:16 PM Post #178 |
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I'm sorry if I would hurt your "oh-so-noble" personality, but that's how it goes in the international stage. Your "civility, humanity and empathy suffer as a consequence" mumbo-jumbo will not make sense and will limit your capability to expand your influence; some exceptions involve making yourself look presentable once in a while and pushing an argument that seems to be civil, humane and emphatic. Learn practical international politics, Mister. Care for some examples? Bay of Pigs invasion. Berlin Blockade. Threats, coercion and assassinations of political leaders and influential people. |
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Success through information, victory through disinformation. "Good leaders make efficient followers. Great leaders make good followers. But true leaders make leaders out of mere followers." "Measuring the intelligence of a common internet user is as easy as looking at his/her grammar." | |
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| nonong | Oct 24 2013, 07:29 PM Post #179 |
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@Parastriker You said... "Bay of Pigs invasion. Berlin Blockade. Threats, coercion and assassinations of political leaders and influential people." What is the connection with my observations? You are out of order. Do not call me mister. I am already retired from the AFP. It is the president that should learn "practical international politics." |
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"In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected." -Sun Tzu "Try and try until you die!" - Anonymous | |
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| Parastriker | Oct 24 2013, 09:53 PM Post #180 |
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My examples clearly show that your supposed comment that, quote, "civility, humanity and empathy suffer as a consequence", unquote, is irrelevant to international affairs, except in some cases, examples of those already said in my previous comment. I thought you understood, but I think I may have erred in that presumption. Let me explain; did U.S.'s "civility, humanity and empathy" suffered? As far as I have heard, the U.N. Headquarters is still there, and they're still quite respected in humanitarian concerns, am I right in this? OT: What should I call you then? Miss? AFP retiree? Sir? Your last position before you were discharged? (Honorably, I assume?) Please clarify this so that we could have a better communication in the future. |
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Success through information, victory through disinformation. "Good leaders make efficient followers. Great leaders make good followers. But true leaders make leaders out of mere followers." "Measuring the intelligence of a common internet user is as easy as looking at his/her grammar." | |
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