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Philippines To Upgrade Ulugan Bay/Oyster Bay Naval Base; For Possible Base Sharing With US Forces
Topic Started: Oct 9 2013, 12:55 PM (13,544 Views)
dewey
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exactly, but we don't know the details yet why the very slow rate of work

build villar villages along the way??? are you serious? baka mag ala macapagal highway ang presyo ng 12km stretch na yan :lollol:
IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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Jan 18 2016, 01:00 PM
How long did it take for China to get a plane land on was previously submerged shoals?


- How much of its annual budget does China allocate for its military?

- Is there really any opposition within the CCP as to how the budget is spent and how things are done?





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Jan 18 2016, 03:13 PM
Neo
Jan 18 2016, 01:00 PM
How long did it take for China to get a plane land on was previously submerged shoals?


- How much of its annual budget does China allocate for its military?

- Is there really any opposition within the CCP as to how the budget is spent and how things are done?




To answer your question, let me just pull out excerpts from a previous post (an article from the Diplomat):

A ‘New’ Philippine Naval Base Near the South China Sea?
The country’s armed forces chief says it is “a top priority.” But will it be realized?

Earlier this week, Reuters reported that the Philippine armed forces chief had said in an interview that the construction of a new naval base opposite the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea was “a top priority.

Plans for constructing a base in Oyster Bay in Palawan – located around 100 miles from the Spratly Islands – date back years and were first publicly announced back in 2013. But the renewed urgency recently expressed by General Gregorio Catapang, Jr...

As Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario recently put it in remarks earlier this week at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, from Manila’s perspective, “we must do something quickly.

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Keywords in red font notes the urgency/importance of the project.

We all know, the plan is in motion, so this is funded, by how much? I'd let Google answer that. But one thing is obvious, and we don't need Catapang or Del Rosario, or the Diplomat to tell us that -- this project is urgent.

As for the China comparison, we all know, China has a much bigger budget and there could be no(or few) restrictions on how that budget is spent. But that's not really the point here. The subject is a 12 kilometer road that looks like it's at least half-way finished by June of last year, only to find out that it won't be finished until October. I mean, we're not even talking about the base, just the 12km road!

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but a 12km road takes a year and a half to finish? Is this even normal for "non-urgent" projects of the DPWH?

Relative to what China is doing with the reclamation, PH's 12km road construction should be an easy task.
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Jan 18 2016, 04:06 PM

As for the China comparison, we all know, China has a much bigger budget and there could be no(or few) restrictions on how that budget is spent. But that's not really the point here. The subject is a 12 kilometer road that looks like it's at least half-way finished by June of last year, only to find out that it won't be finished until October. I mean, we're not even talking about the base, just the 12km road!

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but a 12km road takes a year and a half to finish? Is this even normal for "non-urgent" projects of the DPWH?

Relative to what China is doing with the reclamation, PH's 12km road construction should be an easy task.


These are the points:

Your country, your politicians, your people...

- Vote wisely and make it count.
- Transformation of your country starts from the each and every individual. Attitudes need to change.
- It's time to quit looking for who to blame and start doing what needs to be done.
- Comparing your country to a country where pretty much everything goes the way the government wants - is simply misleading.



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Jan 18 2016, 04:21 PM
Your country, your politicians, your people...

- Vote wisely and make it count.
- Transformation of your country starts from the each and every individual. Attitudes need to change.
- It's time to quit looking for who to blame and start doing what needs to be done.
- Comparing your country to a country where pretty much everything goes the way the government wants - is simply misleading.
Hong, not to sound as if I know everything, but PH is a country where the morons and people with agendas outnumber those with sense. It's easy to say vote wisely, and sure enough people with sense will do just that, but the majority it seems can not comply with that.

As for the misleading comparison, what's misleading about saying a 12km road should be finished faster than reclaiming the sea?


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Jan 18 2016, 04:42 PM
As for the misleading comparison, what's misleading about saying a 12km road should be finished faster than reclaiming the sea?


From the same article:

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The road is expected to be completed in October. By then, the base would be less than an hour's drive from Puerto Princesa. Some local officials, however, have complained of the "haste" by which the road project was started.

Community Environment and Natural Resources (Cenro) officer Emer Garraez said the project proponent had been cited for bypassing the agency in seeking permits. He explained that the project required the clearing of primary forest vegetation to make way for the road.


"They started it without a tree-cutting permit."
- Emer Garraez, Community Environment and Natural Resources (Cenro) officer -

The project, however, received endorsement and approval of the Palawan Council for Sustainable Development (PCSD) when the matter was taken up late last year.



Misleading because:

- Imagine the confusion of your personnel on whom to submit an application to? Local officials, DPWH, CENRO or PCSD? That's "12 kms" of red tape right there.

- Thinking about how much "red tape" they have to go through is befuddling - and that in itself causes unnecessary delay.

- Perhaps the 12 kilometres of road maybe easier to hurdle after all, as to compared to the "mountain of paperwork" required.

- Urgent perhaps for your military, however, for the rest of the "bureaucrazy" it's business as usual.

- the PLA Navy, Airforce, and Army need not apply for environmental permits nor other permits of which you have to "endure".

- Would you bet the PLA did not need any of these in reclaiming the seas?




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Jan 18 2016, 05:31 PM
Neo
Jan 18 2016, 04:42 PM
As for the misleading comparison, what's misleading about saying a 12km road should be finished faster than reclaiming the sea?


From the same article:

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The road is expected to be completed in October. By then, the base would be less than an hour's drive from Puerto Princesa. Some local officials, however, have complained of the "haste" by which the road project was started.

Community Environment and Natural Resources (Cenro) officer Emer Garraez said the project proponent had been cited for bypassing the agency in seeking permits. He explained that the project required the clearing of primary forest vegetation to make way for the road.


"They started it without a tree-cutting permit."
- Emer Garraez, Community Environment and Natural Resources (Cenro) officer -

The project, however, received endorsement and approval of the Palawan Council for Sustainable Development (PCSD) when the matter was taken up late last year.



Misleading because:

- Imagine the confusion of your personnel on whom to submit an application to? Local officials, DPWH, CENRO or PCSD? That's "12 kms" of red tape right there.

- Thinking about how much "red tape" they have to go through is befuddling - and that in itself causes unnecessary delay.

- Perhaps the 12 kilometres of road maybe easier to hurdle after all, as to compared to the "mountain of paperwork" required.

- Urgent perhaps for your military, however, for the rest of the "bureaucrazy" it's business as usual.

- the PLA Navy, Airforce, and Army need not apply for environmental permits nor other permits of which you have to "endure".

- Would you bet the PLA did not need any of these in reclaiming the seas?




I can see your point and it's a valid point.

Not only is the red tape maddening, but in PH, nothing is beyond complaint. There would always be people who will oppose. It's not totally a bad thing actually, but in cases like this -- it's a hindrance.

To be fair, I should have included every factor, including those you mentioned.

However, my point is -- the project is urgent. Sure for non-military institutions/people, this doesn't seem so, but this is national security, people pulling the strings should have stressed out the fact that this is a priority. And, people responsible for implementation of this project should have taken the necessary measures to speed things up.

But they haven't done so. Thus the slow pace of the "urgent" project.

In the end, the fact still stands --China reclaiming the sea is faster than PH constructing a 12 kilometer road. You can put an asterisk to that if you will -- *because China can do what it wants and has the budget.
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I feel your pain Mr. Neo.

I mean if it pisses me... a foreigner with little at stake but my love for your country. How much more for you? I strongly believe that in matters of national security, a little more "leeway"should be granted to them. Also hoping at the same time this "trust" afforded to your military wouldn't be abused.




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Hong, I am thankful for your concern, if only more citizens of my country love it as much as you do, PH will be a better place.
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Jan 18 2016, 04:42 PM
... but PH is a country where the morons and people with agendas outnumber those with sense.
That's not correct!

The morons are always a minority... the problem is they are in power.
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