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Questions about India?
Topic Started: Mar 29 2013, 01:39 PM (830 Views)
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hi, i have been facing many personal n off topic questions about India n Myself, so i made this thread to answer all questions at one place.




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1. MODs i have started this thread in Indian Military section for easy in finding n as many questions relates to geo politics but if u feel that it belongs to any other section u may plz change it.

2. Those of u who have doubts about my Identity can contact the MODs for my location as i m not gonna entertain such questions any more.
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I'll answer ur question soon as i m bit busy now, if u got any other questions u may ask me here.
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Yogi, before I ask you a military question and just to test your ethnic validity, answer my question. There is a city in the Bicol region of the Philippines and a state in India that share the same name. Both of their population looks so similar, ASEAN-looking. What is that Indian state?
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Yogi, I do understand your perspective as an Indian and how you look at the world.
After independence, India was a socialist country and although technically non-aligned with neither superpower, we all know that your country was in bed with the Soviet Union when it came to military purchases.


Yes, after independence we had a bit of socialist impact on our economy but we were never true socialist or cummunist like Russia or China we were democratic n tried to follow a mixed path between Socialist n Capitalist economy(although more inclinded towards Socialism in initial phase).

We went for help to US in 1971 n they sent USS Enterprise to attack us.

They put us under sanctions we didn't have any other way to go except the Russians n the French.

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Ever read a history of WWII?
How the US was helped free
Europe from the grip of Hitler?
Or how the US liberated the
Philippines and other countries
from the hated Japanese troops?


US came in WWII when itself got attacked (Peral Harbour) n not to save the world n ended it by killing millions of civilians in Japan. If they wanted to stop the Japanese atrocities why didn't they attacked the military bases with Nukes instead of Cities filled with civilians.

It was the US who funded the terrorists in Afghanistan to destroy the Soviets then went there attacking one plane crashed in WTC.

I m not defending the terrorist but u reap what u bow.

US destoyed Iraq to save the world from WMDs n today decades after the war its yet to find a single WMD.

All the monarchies in Gulf r supported by the US while it roam around the world attacking countries for democracy.

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You are not the first Indian to not like the US. I have not met an Indian who is openly pro-American. Fine with me.
But how come hundreds of thousands of Indians go to the US to study or to work?


There r over a billion Indians in India alone n millions out round the world, i don't know how many u have meet to form an opinion about Indians.

Most Indians r actually Pro US as they know little about the past.

We r not some Sworn Enemies of US like the Soviets or even had any direct fight with them like the Vietnamese.

Its not the Amercian people i dislike its their Govt. i don't like, similarly i have no issues with the normal Chinese people but its CCP i don't like.

Indians go to US the same reason Philippinos or any other people round the globe go which r better education n money.
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Mar 29 2013, 02:41 PM
Yogi, before I ask you a military question and just to test your ethnic validity, answer my question. There is a city in the Bicol region of the Philippines and a state in India that share the same name. Both of their population looks so similar, ASEAN-looking. What is that Indian state?
my friend i have very little knowledge about Philippines in general that to bcoz my sister currently lives there, thats why i know about only one city i.e. Manila.

If u wanna test me ask me any thing about India specific or Hinduism, that i can answer.
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Mar 29 2013, 02:41 PM
Yogi, before I ask you a military question and just to test your ethnic validity, answer my question. There is a city in the Bicol region of the Philippines and a state in India that share the same name. Both of their population looks so similar, ASEAN-looking. What is that Indian state?
ok now i think, now i got ur question, plz tell me if its correct or not.

Philippino city - Naga City
Indian State - Nagaland

I would like add a bit more here, Naga is a Sanskrit word which means Snake n Snakes r also considered sacred in India as 2 out of 3 main Gods in Hinduism carry snakes with them i.e. Lord Shiva as Necklace n Lord Vishnu as his seat.

Besides the entire Indian North East region comprises of people with Mongoloid features not just Nagaland.
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Very well Yogi! you answered it correctly. Except that there is no word Philipino city - it's either Filipino city (to connote ethnicity) or more appropriately Philippine city wherein you take off the "s" to conform with the English language grammatical singular rule.

I'm hip bro, you are legit! I have friends from Nagaland and they blend in just like Filipinos when we are together . I have friends also in Ludhiana. I enjoy your astuteness in military affairs. You are an asset to this forum!
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To be true i m just a defence freak who like good discussion with sane people, i saw some on this forum so i joined it...

Believe me the pleasure is all mine... :drunk:
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US came in WWII when itself got attacked (Peral Harbour) n not to save the world....

Yogi,

If the US had entered WWII before Pearl Harbor, you and others like you would be criticizing Uncle Sam for entering WWII to further the American imperialist agenda. In other words, damn if you do, damn if you don't! :headbang:

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...killing millions of civilians in Japan.


First, I would like to remind you that the Japanese were very brutal occupiers just in case you did not know. Ask any elderly Filipino, Singaporean, Korean, Chinese, Malaysian or Indonesian who had to live those horrible war years. You were very, very lucky that Japan was not able to reach all the way to India.

Yes, the US was right to bomb Japan into submission even if it meant killing millions of Japanese civilians in the process. Japan had to reap what it sowed.

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If they wanted to stop the Japanese atrocities why didn't they attacked the military bases with Nukes instead of Cities filled with civilians.

So tell us, which Japanese city should have been nuked in 1945? Kyoto, Tokyo, Nagoya, Yokohama or Kobe? All of them were filled with Japanese soldiers and civilians.

The Japanese military bases were near or beside major cities. Japan itself is not that big a country compared the US or China. Anywhere the US would have picked to drop their nuclear bombs would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. But it was war.

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It was the US who funded the terrorists in Afghanistan to destroy the Soviets then went there attacking one plane crashed in WTC.

Again, you clearly don't know your history. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. During its brutal occupation, the Soviets killed so many Afghans and maimed so many children by dropping bombs disguised as toys.

The Arab countries, Pakistan and the US had to stop the carnage in Afghanistan. Remember that this was at the height of the Cold War. The Evil Empire had to be defeated. The Stinger missiles dealt a crushing blow to the Soviet forces by shooting down dozens of MiG's and other Soviet aircraft. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan is one of the reasons why there is no USSR today.

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I m not defending the terrorist but u reap what u sow.

If the US had done nothing to help the brave Afghans liberate their country, you would be saying the US did not care for the poor people of Afghanistan during their time of need.

Again, damn if you do, damn if you don't! :headbang:

Just because some of the mujahideen became traitors and stabbed the US in the back does not mean you should sympathize with OBL!

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US destoyed Iraq to save the world from WMDs n today decades after the war its yet to find a single WMD.

Not exactly the finest hour of the US but Saddam Hussein dropped chemical weapons on the Kurds who dared to rebel against him. Invading Iraq was a big mistake.

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All the monarchies in Gulf r supported by the US

What do you want the US to do? Invade all of these Arab monarchies and overthrow them like it did in Iraq? :headbang:

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...roam around the world attacking countries for democracy.

In the first part of your sentence, you criticize the US for supporting monarchies in the Gulf and at the second part of the same sentence, you criticize the US for trying to set up democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Again, damn if you do, damn if you don't! Didn't you take up some logic in school? :headbang:

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There r over a billion Indians in India alone n millions out round the world, i don't know how many u have meet to form an opinion about Indians....

I have met a lot of Indians in my line of work including those already in the US.

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Most Indians r actually Pro US as they know little about the past.

News to me. Most Indians I have met share your disdain for the US.

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Its not the Amercian people i dislike its their Govt. i don't like

Did you know that in the 1950's & 60's, when India did not grow enough food for its people, the US government shipped tons and tons of wheat and other foodstuff to help you guys? And all these food was given free of charge by the same government you dislike.

How much food did the USSR give to India during the same time? Just a tiny fraction of the amount the US government gave to you guys for free (if the Soviets even gave free food). Soviet agriculture was not exactly a model of success.

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similarly i have no issues with the normal Chinese people but its CCP i don't like.

I don't like the CCP either! At least we agree on something.

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Indians go to US the same reason Philippinos or any other people round the globe go which r better education n money.
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I can literally go on n on with this debate with u but i don't wanna ruin this thread for some personal debate.

Ur too pro US to accept any criticism. So, but i'll still try to answer ur post in a manner to end this debate.

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If the US had entered WWII before Pearl Harbor, you and others like you would be
criticizing Uncle Sam for
entering WWII to further the
American imperialist agenda.

I simply told u what was their reason to enter the WWII not something like saving humanity.

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First, I would like to remind you that the Japanese were very brutal occupiers just in case you did not know. Ask any elderly Filipino, Singaporean, Korean, Chinese, Malaysian or Indonesian who had to live those horrible war years. You
were very, very lucky that Japan was not able to reach all the way to India.


I not defending the Japanese atrocities here, what they did was horrible n i would criticise them too for what the did.

But IMO Japanese atrocities doesn't justify what the US did. As 2 wrongs doesn't make it right.

We had our fair share of Invaders for about a 1000 years. N in last 200 years of colonial British rule we were also not living in some luxurious life. So, IMO no point debating here.

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Again, you clearly don't know your history. The Soviets
invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
During its brutal occupation, the Soviets killed so many Afghans and maimed so many children by dropping bombs disguised as toys.

The Arab countries, Pakistan
and the US had to stop the
carnage in Afghanistan.
Remember that this was at the
height of the Cold War. The Evil
Empire had to be defeated.


I know my history well, i said US funded the terrorist to settle their scores with the Soviets n when they were done with that they moved outta there without cleaning their mess behind which resulted in 9/11.

Have u ever been to Afghan, have u got any idea about the ground realities they have been facing after ur Angel returned from there after the Soviet fall.

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Just because some of the mujahideen became traitors and stabbed the US in the back does not mean you should sympathize with OBL!


Read my post again i clearly said i m not defending terrorists, i hate them more than u could imagine.

Muhajids was all that the US raised neither they r nor they were anybodys friend neither the US nor the local Afghans.

Thats why i said u got no idea what it likes to be in Afghan.

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What do you want the US to do?
Invade all of these Arab
monarchies and overthrow
them like it did in Iraq?


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In the first part of your
sentence, you criticize the US for
supporting monarchies in the
Gulf and at the second part of the same sentence, you criticize the US for trying to set
up democracies in Iraq and
Afghanistan.


I was not contradicting myself but showing u the hypocrisy there.

when US supports monarchies who r the biggest funders of radicalism n terrorism.
what right u have to attack others in the name of democracy or terrorism.

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Did you know that in the 1950's & 60's, when India did not grow enough food for its people, the US government shipped tons and tons of wheat and other foodstuff to help you guys? And all these food was given free of charge by the same government you dislike. How much food did the USSR give to India during the same time? Just a tiny fraction of the amount the US government gave to you guys for free (if the Soviets even gave free food).


The US stopped our food supplies of poor people in India when GOI didn't toe as per US lines but it was a blessing indisguise as it made us self sufficient in food supplies.

The Soviets taught us how to stand on our own feet by helping us in setting heavy industriiron n steel n not merely giving us Aid(as a bribe to become the Yes man).
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