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| Spain to turn over some 70 historical maps to strengthen PH claim over disputed territories | |
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| fatbat_mca | Jan 30 2013, 08:13 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.interaksyon.com/article/53834/spain-to-turn-over-some-70-historical-maps-to-strengthen-ph-claim-over-disputed-territories MANILA, Philippines - Two days before China comes out with its official maps that highlight territories in South China Sea, which are also being claimed by the Philippines, Spanish Ambassador to Manila Jorge Domecq said his country is willing to turn over to the Philippines some 70 of the latter's historical maps. Domecq made the announcement on Tuesday at the sidelines of the sixth Tribuna España-Filipinas, a high-dialogue between the two countries held at the AIM Conference Center in Makati City. During the event, Domecq was asked what could Spain contribute to further strengthen the Philippines' claim over the disputed territories in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) given that Madrid and Manila shared hundreds of years of historical heritage. "I think that is something that you probably have to dig into the archives (for)… I can send it to you, where you have around 70 maps, which are a private collection, and then you can draw your conclusion," Domecq replied. Sen. Edgardo Angara also owns a vast collection of Philippine maps dating back to Spanish colonial times, which include an old map showing that Scarborough (Panatag or Bajo de Masinloc) Shoal belongs to the Philippines. China refers to the rock fomation as Huangyan Island. According to Angara, it is clear that the shoal was part of the Philippines' cartography during the Spanish colonial area. The senator said there is map made in 1734 that shows that Panatag was already part of the Phillippine Islands, which was then under Spanish colonial rule. China has been firm on its stand that it owns the entire South China Sea, citing its historical inheritance and the nine-dash-line on its ancient map. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Jan 30 2013, 08:48 PM Post #2 |
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Possibly somes of those maps will be the same maps below...Panacot Shoal (Scarborough) is clearly part of the PH territory. Carte Hydrographique & Chorographique des Isles Philippines [1760] ![]() [CLICK FOR LARGER VIEW OF THE MAP] Isole Filippine [1785] ![]() CLICK FOR LARGER VIEW OF THE MAP |
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| shoot_to_kill | Jan 30 2013, 08:51 PM Post #3 |
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were not alone... |
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| Samir_Duran | Jan 30 2013, 09:41 PM Post #4 |
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You mean "We're" as in short for "We are". |
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| Wind Shear | Jan 31 2013, 01:03 AM Post #5 |
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Well, nitpicking aside, yes we are indeed not alone. :) |
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| shoot_to_kill | Jan 31 2013, 01:59 AM Post #6 |
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i forgot the punctuation, just human, if you got a problem with that, sue me. di ko na pinapansin yung makulit na red line pag nag tytype. Edited by shoot_to_kill, Jan 31 2013, 02:00 AM.
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| wily_pest | Jan 31 2013, 11:05 AM Post #7 |
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The 1785 map does not show a Chinese territorial line on the water on the west side that the Spaniards had to avoid bec. it was claimed by China. Otherwise if China had owned the area where the 9 dash line is, the Spaniards were clueless about it. And the only reason why the Spaniards were unaware of such Chinese water territory, is bec the Chinese never owned and never claimed it then it in the first place. The Chinese claim is nothing but a hoax. Edited by wily_pest, Jan 31 2013, 11:06 AM.
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| ganymede09 | Jan 31 2013, 12:08 PM Post #8 |
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and their utter stupidity in making it one of their "core interest" is so astounding. now they will have to bear the pain of having their 9-dash-lie dissected under world attention through the UNCLOS arbitration (assuming and hoping it accepts jurisdiction of the dispute). Imagine adopting a hoax as STATE POLICY that they are supposed to be willing to go to war for. They will lose face many times over, something chinese culture and psyche dreads and go to great lengths to avoid. |
| LET'S RAISE OUR MIDDLE FINGERs TO THE MIDDLE KINGDOM. | |
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| Parastriker | Jan 31 2013, 07:43 PM Post #9 |
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My educated guess? They are in a quandary. The "middle kingdom syndrome" will make them reluctant about withdrawing their 9-dash claim, but some of the level-minded visionaries within the party would caution their leaders to stop leaning or maybe even abandon their 9-dash claim. Some ultranationalists would certainly suggest offensive military action. Which choice would the leaders make in the end is a blind shot for me, but gleaning from my lessons learned when dealing with the Chinese, they would most likely fight their way with the Tribunal while making secret offensives on the islands. In other terms, their plan is based on flexibility; any time they could pull out of the talks once they completely capture the islands, or hypothetically, they could stop their offensives once they have "taught" their adversaries enough "lessons". |
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| shoot_to_kill | Feb 1 2013, 01:06 AM Post #10 |
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same tactic by japan, presenting an ancient chinese maps, yes it's a chink official map, map not covering senkaku
Edited by shoot_to_kill, Feb 1 2013, 01:07 AM.
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