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China Open to Joint Oil Development
Topic Started: Jan 8 2013, 02:13 AM (3,825 Views)
pachador


I agree ! Joint oil drilling is a Trojan Horse !
Here is a scenario. lets say the joint agreement calls for china to provide the rig(they have that new giant rig). then lets say when that rig is in place and starts drilling, china announces , it will cancel joint exploration, and what if the rig will not leave ?? what will the philippines do ?? We will just protest a hundred times again ? like we did in Scarborough shoal ?? We were duped twice, lets not be duped three times. If the philippine side still wants joint development, it must be clearly specified that the drilling rig and other physical equipment or drill ships must come from a country other than china. Otherwise, allowing a chinese drilling rig is like allowing in a Trojan horse.
Just look at the joint exploration between japan and china signed in 2008, and yet now, that is gone up in smoke due to china's unilateral drilling by itself
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/18/china.japan
http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2012-02-03/japan-protests-chinese-regime-s-east-china-sea-gas-drilling.html
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pachador
Jan 23 2013, 11:16 AM
I agree ! Joint oil drilling is a Trojan Horse !
Joint drilling with China in the WPS is like having a "fox to watch the chicken house". - Wait, didn't they recently tag the Philippines as the "chicken"? :nono:

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raider1011


So many distractions but the practical question remains the same: can we get into Recto Bank? Can we start drilling? When?

Someone must answer the question, otherwise the answer will be provided by cowards like Pangilinan.

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“It is a very practical question and I guess a moral question as well: Are you prepared to set aside, but not surrender, your claim on sovereignty over the area, so you could go on and develop the area jointly?” Mr. Pangilinan told a forum hosted by the foreign correspondents association.

Or should you stick to the moral position that this is ours and no matter what happens this is ours? In which case, quite likely it will never get developed, at least not in our lifetime.

Any bid by the Philippines, with its limited military capability, to develop the area on its own would require US naval backing, he said.

“That is why my question to the US is: “Will you send your navy to protect our vessel? Or let us know, do you, as a matter of policy ... prefer a commercial arrangement that will still the waters in the West Philippine Sea?” he said.

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Mr. Pangilinan said plans to deploy a survey vessel to Reed Bank last October with a view to establishing an oil rig in the Sampaguita gas field in March or April this year were dropped in view of continued patrols by Chinese vessels.

He said Forum Energy, in which Philex Petroleum Corp. owns more than two-thirds, had not resumed talks with CNOOC on a joint venture, even though it had been approached by other possible partners, including US firms.

“The principal focus of our discussion at this time is with CNOOC and with CNOOC alone. We’re not engaged with any discussion with other party,” he said.

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Negroponte, who co-chairs the US-Philippines Society together with businessman Manuel Pangilinan, arrived in Manila on Monday night from Tokyo.

GMA News

You're the co-chairman of the US-Philippines Society but you're also the first to jump in bed with China? Don't lecture us about what we can or can't do with what's ours. Puro pa-epek lang pala yang mga chairmanship-chairmanship mo.
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raider1011


Philippines Aims to Drill in South China Sea

VOA News / Jan. 25, 2013 07:45 KST


The Philippines has said it would support a Philippine-Chinese partnership in the region, provided it conformed to Philippine law, meaning parties would have to follow the 60 percent locally owned-to-40-percent foreign owned rule, among other requirements. President Benigno Aquino said recently he supports a joint partnership as long as royalties would go to the Philippines.

It is this question of royalties that poses the biggest challenge to a joint drilling partnership. Li Mingjiang, coordinator of China Studies at the Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University, says the royalties issue is in many ways at their heart of their dispute.

"The implications are that if you follow Filipino laws and regulations, to some extent, China is conceding the sort of sovereign right to the Philippines in their waters with regards to the energy resources," Li said.

Australia Defense Force Academy Professor Carl Thayer does not see a joint development partnership happening anytime soon. "Does China want to accept that? And, if it did and worked in an area where the central government had a claim, it would seem to undermine the central government," Thayer noted. "And then now, DFA is having second thoughts. So I don’t think the prospects are very good."

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Jan 18 2013, 07:20 PM
:dunno: Maybe those top people in PH who are pushing hard for a Joint Explo devt. with China (CNOOC) are all compromised, to think that there are other contracts without hassles available for development...??
Much better to defer and reserve it for the time being, get back into it when we're ready to explore/ develop and are able to protect this project on our own.

I'd go for these thoughts by Mr AVB! The danger in pursuing our exploration plans in Recto Bank at this point and time will be futile to us at this moment. It's like opening our door to a thief, unarmed with no capability to defend ourselves. I say let's leave it for now till everything is ripe and safe.

Meantime, The Government should get busy in exploiting these areas below instead: And guard RECTO BANK at all cost!

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The Philippines can give priority first to explore other areas which has no territorial disputes, namely contracts like, SC 37 (Cagayan), SC 43 (Ragay Gulf ), SC 47 (Offshore Mindoro), SC 57 (Calamian), SC 58 (West Calamian), SC 59 (West Balabac) and SC 63 (East Sabina?)


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I see lots of close-minded persons here. I'm not saying we should because even I want some caveats attached to any joint drilling with the Chinese but we should at least be open-minded. I'll surely bump this thread repeatedly when the time comes that there will be joint drilling between Pangilinan's group and CNOOC. The Pres. repeatedly said he is open and sees nothing wrong with it but it should have caveats (conditions).

Even the US is trying to have joint drilling with CNOOC somewhere near HK and Macau.

And don't be surprised if Chevron (US) becomes the 3rd-partner in the CNOOC-MVP joint drilling. Everything is possible if one is open-minded and creative. If one is close-minded and have a non-negotiable state of mind then there is no moving forward.

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icefrog
Jan 25 2013, 06:07 PM
I see lots of close-minded persons here.

Close minded about the subject... - GUILTY.

Why?

- They cannot be trusted and have never shown they can ever be. - "Res ipsa locitur"


It will never happen because China will never acquiesce to your demands. If they do, they might as well junk their claims to the WPS.

1) 60 percent locally owned-to-40-percent foreign owned rule.
2) Joint partnership as long as royalties would go to the Philippines.

- "The royalties issue is in many ways at their heart of their dispute."

- "The implications are that if you follow Filipino laws and regulations, to some extent, China is conceding the sort of sovereign right to the Philippines in their waters with regards to the energy resources," Li said.

- "Does China want to accept that? And, if it did and worked in an area where the central government had a claim, it would seem to undermine the central government,"



Is that the only area in the Philippines with potential?
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The Philippines can give priority first to explore other areas which has no territorial disputes, namely contracts like, SC 37 (Cagayan), SC 43 (Ragay Gulf ), SC 47 (Offshore Mindoro), SC 57 (Calamian), SC 58 (West Calamian), SC 59 (West Balabac) and SC 63 (East Sabina?)

Close minded, yes.

Forgiving, yes. But forgive when the wounds have healed. How can the wounds start to heal when additional wounds are still being received!
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Even though there are certain conditions they should abide, even though its a way moving forward, even though the president says so, id rather tread this deal very very very carefully. Because one thing always reminds me, mischief reef.

Ill never base my decision on their good intention. We may work will them in the meantime for a project but i will never trust a chicom.
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If China wont accept the 60-40, then lets offer them 50-50 with china still conceding the sovereign rights to the philippines. I think that's the least we could do just for the sake of improving not only our economy, but also our relationship with china. Because there's no way that china could just bring everything to military approach due to the fact that WPS is ours and so china needs us for them to be able to sustain their economic growth by working with us in WPS. They know the act that we will defend our territories no matter what, and fight to the death if we have to. China knows it, they are just testing our government. I believe to that analysis that they wouldn't really go to war just because of this reef disputes, they will not take the risk.
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'UN move dumaan sa high-level consultation'

DAVOS, Switzerland - Idinepensa mismo ni Pangulong Noynoy Aquino ang pag-akyat ng Pilipinas sa teritorial dispute nito sa China sa United Nations (UN).

Bilang reaksyon ito sa paniwala ng negosyanteng si Manny Pangilinan na magpapakomplikado sa planong gas explorations sa West Philippine Sea ang hakbang na ito ng gobyerno sa pangunguna ng Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA). . . .

"With all due respect to Mr. Pangilinan, what am I supposed to do? I consulted the leadership of both chambers of Houses, both chambers to include the minority leadership of both, ok. We invited the judiciary, who were unfortunately, were having an en banc session on the day we had to call for this meeting. We invited President (Fidel) Ramos and President (Joseph) Estrada also to share their experiences. So we brought the matter before them, and there was unanimity. And I won’t exaggerate, ano, talagang nobody objected to going into this arbitration mode. I think, the choice is very, very clear, no," ani Pangulong Aquino sa Davos.

Kasabay nito, iginiit din ng Pangulo na ito ay pagtupad lamang ng kanyang tungkuling ipagtanggol ang Saligang Batas ng bansa. . . .

"One is let the status quo remain and have, you know, in effect, they’re claiming effective control over Bajo de Masinloc by ordering our vessels out. And if we don’t do this approach, then what is the next step? Is it Reed Bank naman or Recto Bank? What else? We’ve been, I think, very patient. We believe we’ve been complying with the request in the interest of maintaining good relations, but unfortunately, there has been no reciprocation. Hence, I am, by workings of the Constitution, and by the oath that I undertook, I swore to defend this country, and we are doing this under international law, in a peaceful manner, we are not threatening anybody, but if we don’t stand up for our rights, who we do expect will be standing up for our rights?" dagdag ng Pangulo.

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Edited by raider1011, Jan 26 2013, 07:38 PM.
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