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PH: We’ll Take A Stand, With Or Without US; West Philippine Sea
Topic Started: Dec 15 2012, 12:58 AM (7,934 Views)
pachador


I would also like to add that michele flournoy statements are just her opinion as a curently ex-defense official and not necessarily official US policy. we need to pay attention instead to american actions. for example if the PN went ahead with its request for Harpoon missiles and we paying with our money and still the US turns it down, then this is a sure giveaway on where US policy really stands, and we know from thereon where to buy our equipments instead. US approval for harpoons missiles is in effect a go-signal that we can fire those harpoons if SHTF. ....while disapproval means, they are worried we might launch them later on, in which case, we need to look elsewhere for our offensive attack equipment.... the approval or disapproval of harpoon missile request if and when we go ahead and request thiese missiles --->> is the acid test of where the americans really stand.... :pistols: :fire: :snipemo:
Edited by pachador, Dec 17 2012, 11:00 AM.
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caution: do not wear those rose tinted glasses from china.
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good point patch, but we must mix european and american hardware and munitions just in case. entertain vendors from different corner of different streets.

you go.........pssssssst, u got one of those fixes? they all go............sure as long as u buy from me i will make sure u get ur fix.
Edited by wily_pest, Dec 17 2012, 11:06 AM.
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Dec 17 2012, 10:02 AM
I don't think the philippine government is really serious or really threatened, because if they were, they would have done all your suggestions long time ago. I think what's going on is that Malacanyang know the fact that a military confrontation with China is non existent, and might already been dealt secretly with the help of US diplomatic efforts. This maybe a possible cause and are hidden from the public. What else we are seing are just mere politics, using the dipute to push the modernization and nothing else. Because if i am wrong, then it's an overwhelming stupidity by Malacanyang to belittle the threat in WPS by not making any drastic efforts to fully utilize their emergency funds to buy those badly needed military weapons. So keep your level headed and watch how this military politics really works, and they are really slow in acquiring those modern weapons, so obviously they are taking so much time. Therefore, there is no war that is imminent between china and the philippines.
Spear, I hope that is the case. Then we can all sleep at night and have peace of mind. But I'm kinda apprehensive the fact that Pama seem to have drawn the line asking the US whether they are on board with us or not. To me those statements are not released haphazardly if there is no sense of urgency or brewing problem. Those are not pakitang labas lang. It also is pretty hard to predict China's next move as evidenced by their recent actions (Passport and boarding rules) so I'm sure nothing is sure even if they say they will be a good boy even if that is what they promised the Americans. Channeling things through the Americans will only bring our guard down and make us feel good but then otherwise surprise us down the road. Haven't we learned from their promise of pulling out of the Scarborough Shoal? The price of freedom could be expensive but I think that is our only choice. Our goal is deterrence and not war but just in case shooting breaks out we can inflict a heavy damage and stand on our own. It is inconceivable that those in leadership including the military ay nagpapapogi lang. But then again you could be right based on how they move right now.
Edited by Santi Kampilan, Dec 17 2012, 12:30 PM.
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There certainly are a lot of possibilities here. They all could be partially or wholly true, and could also be a mix of one or the other. For my part, I believe that irregardless to whatever the truth is. It is imperative the modernization, the re-arming of the Philippines be kicked into high gear. Now is not the time to let down your guard. Be relentless and never stop. For a bully can only be stopped if he knows you can fight back. This fiasco with the Chinese will end only when they see them fangs and see how potentially damaging it can get. The Chinese still have an intense distrust on the Japanese. Many still can't forgive them for the atrocities committed during the last world war. Yet, they react and treat the Japanese different than they do the Philippines. Japan doesn't have nukes. But they are scared of them because the "Self Defense Force" has a very potent offensive capability.

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Here's the real case, for as long as we don't have any NUCLEAR capability then there won't be any fear of WW3 happening and just a Naval showdown, the only scenario that can/ will happen is that for the US to arm us enough to counter China or PH arm itself to the teeth on it's own...

In my opinion, If I were the President of PH, I would try to do/ apply both at the same time in order to really safeguard my Country and the Filipino People in case the US tries to ditch us, we could never go wrong trusting ourselves.

The best option to follow would be TAIWAN's defense, for PH to invest on AIR POWER like A2A, A2S then combined with a fully missile armed PF-15, 16 and the Maestrales with lots of AA, ASMs and ASW.

The real scenario would be is that the US will protect PH Mainland in case China tries a sneaky invasion.
Edited by AVBsupersonic, Dec 17 2012, 06:40 PM.
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If there's really fear of escalation come JAN 2013, they should try and take advantage of all the (16-18)AMX that's being offered to us by ITALY for they are battle ready for delivery, rather than just getting a few... to give our PN Ships some air cover and also good if loaded with ASMs.

PN should maximize to buy and equip all of it's assets with proper weapons like (France)Mistral Missiles that can be easily installed on PN ships, Sea Skuas from UK, refurbish and modify an old LST armed with M-198 howitzers, 50cals., 20mm MG's from mothballed F8's, F5's and deploy it on the mouth of Scarborough Shoal, (like run aground) at the same time set up a structure of PH Marine base with MPAC, PF -15 or PF-11 Humabon guarding in the distance with one Jacinto class with strict "Standground" orders.
Edited by AVBsupersonic, Dec 17 2012, 07:43 PM.
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If we are expecting something in early 2013, it's too late. Unless, of course some pilots were already secretly training in either Korea or Italy since last year then there might be a chance they maybe ready by the 2nd half of 2013.
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With regards to training outside, that's classified, as of this present time, some PAF Pilots do have the capability to fly an AMX if push comes to shove, for it's not as complicated compared to TA-50's or other modern platforms that uses advanced aerodynamics and avionics, the AMX although modern, it has manual reversion capability, it can still be flown in case all else fails.

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