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| PH: We’ll Take A Stand, With Or Without US; West Philippine Sea | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 15 2012, 12:58 AM (7,938 Views) | |
| omen | Dec 15 2012, 11:45 AM Post #11 |
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dig this: w/ the US MDT w/ Japan, Senkaku island is included; w/ our version of MDT Scarborough shoal and Recto bank is considered disputed areas and therefore is not included in our MDT w/ the US. |
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| Hong Nam | Dec 15 2012, 11:58 AM Post #12 |
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Someone kindly tell this m.o.r.o.n. that the Philippines isn't the country which is acting provocatively and assertively. All the reason to start depending on yourselves. They haven't proven themselves to be quite reliable. America has it's own agenda - itself.
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| romayu | Dec 15 2012, 02:47 PM Post #13 |
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that just goes to show how ignorant some us government officials are... same with our government officials... |
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| icefrog | Dec 15 2012, 03:06 PM Post #14 |
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WTF? Philippines being provocative?? Really!? In what world is he in?? If this is the guy who will replace Panetta then the world should expect more False Flags and made up excuses to make war on other countries from the US. Fair warning to both US allies and enemies. Edited by icefrog, Dec 15 2012, 03:08 PM.
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| icefrog | Dec 15 2012, 03:37 PM Post #15 |
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We are not the only ones that pulled put on that prolonged illegal war. |
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| Hong Nam | Dec 15 2012, 03:46 PM Post #16 |
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AZKALS mentioned this link in the shoutbox. It's relevant here so I will post the link as well. http://m.philstar.com/314192/show/59e8b353e423f300f9e779ffab63f2dd/? |
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| AVBsupersonic | Dec 15 2012, 04:02 PM Post #17 |
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http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2012/12/14/former-u-s-official-philippines-mistaken-on-south-china-sea-support/ Chaps, this writer –Brian Spegele. Follow him on Twitter @bspegele.from The wall street Journal /China Real Time Report^^ The guy is based in China so it's another twist n turn with more lies just to make US, PH relationship sour or our outlook to the US, so better take this with a grain of salt. There's his twitter account let's follow him and take him to the ditch... Anyway, the AFP/PN Chiefs and our PH Govt. said it already that "We’ll Take A Stand, With Or Without US" "sana nga totoo ito!" If they are really wise, they shouldn't bank it all with the US like what FM said - "we should not be completely dependent upon them. For while we believe in their courage and their capability, they also have their own national interest that may sometime conflict with ours. For in matters of defense the guarantee of friends can be modified to suit their needs and interest, as the history of nations vividly show.” Edited by AVBsupersonic, Dec 15 2012, 04:15 PM.
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| icefrog | Dec 15 2012, 04:55 PM Post #18 |
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I am weary on how reliable are they gonna be on supplying us with the necessary spares and missiles and on time. Our wishlist was allegedly granted but I still want us to get something from either France or Russia as insurance as their military assets are pretty much 100% local unlike the Gripen, EFT and TA/FA-50 w/c has parts sourced from the US. |
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| AVBsupersonic | Dec 15 2012, 05:33 PM Post #19 |
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They should take a look at what Vietnam is doing, how and where, it handles, procures everything with regards to territorial issues and up arming their Military... FYI, the US have to wake up and put a stop while it can to Chinese mad ambitions or prepare to lose everything including their allies, according to this article below; PLAN Naval Forces Traditionally, China was regarded as largely a land power with only very limited naval forces. During the Cold War-era, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) was mainly tasked with the defence of China’s coast against amphibious assaults from the U.S. or Soviet Union. Since the late 1980s, China has been seeking to develop a ‘blue water’ navy force capable of operating in the regions beyond its offshore waters. The modernisation of the PLAN over the past decade has been driven by two factors, the possibility of a military conflict with Taiwan over the island’s declaration of independence, and more recently, the growing needs to protect China’s sea lines of communications (SLOC) in order to secure the country’s global network of energy resources and trading activities. The 225,000-man PLAN is organised into three fleets: North Sea, East Sea, and South Sea Fleets. Each fleet is composed of surface forces, submarine forces, naval aviation, and coastal defence forces. The South Sea Fleet also has two marine brigades, totalling some 10,000 men. In time of crisis, the PLAN can be supported by China’s merchant and fishing ship fleets. Main naval bases include Lushun, Huludao, Qingdao, Shanghai, Zhoushan, Wenzhou, Xiamen, Guangzhou, Zhanjiang, and Yulin. China operates the largest submarine force among Asian countries, consisting of 8~10 nuclear-powered submarines and 50~60 diesel-electric submarines. The second-generation Type 093/Shang Class nuclear-powered attack submarine and Type 094/Jin Class nuclear-powered missile submarine have already entered service. Older Type 033/Romeo Class and Type 035/Ming Class diesel-electric submarines, which were based on the 1950s-era Soviet technology, are being gradually replaced by the newer indigenous Type 039/Song class and Russian-built Kilo Class. The even newer Yuan Class has also entered batch production. Since 1990, the PLAN has received a total of 13 destroyers in six classes, as well as 20 brigades in four classes. Most of the Chinese-built surface combatants are equipped with the Chinese indigenous YJ-83 anti-ship cruise-missile (ASCM). Early vessels were armed with the HHQ-7 short-range air-defence missile system, while later variants are fitted with more capable medium- to long-range air-defence missile systems and vertical-launch system (VLS) modules. To complement these vessels, the PLAN is introducing the modernised Type 022/Houbei Class low-visibility missile boat to replace the ageing Houku class. Additionally, China is said to be considering building one or more aircraft carriers to further enhance its long-range power projection capability. The amphibious warfare fleet of the PLAN has been expanding slowing since the early 1990s, with the introduction of 19 Type 072-II/Yuting and Type 072-III/Yuting-II class tank landing ships, as well as a Type 071 landing platform dock (LPD), which features a large helicopter flight deck and a floodable docking area for up to four aircraft cushion landing crafts. It was estimated that the current amphibious fleet of the PLAN is capable of transporting an army division, including its personnel and heavy equipment, to cross the Taiwan Strait. However, additional transport capacities can be achieved by employing container ships and roll-on/roll-off ships of the merchant fleet. The PLAN has been following a three-step strategy in its modernisation process. In the first step, it aimed to develop a relatively modernised naval force that can operate within the first island chain, a series of islands that stretch from Japan to the north, to Taiwan, and Philippines to the south. In the second step, the PLAN aims to develop a regional naval force that can operate beyond the first island chain to reach the second island chain, which includes Guam, Indonesia, and Australia. In the third-stage, the PLAN will develop a global naval force by the mid twenty-first century. source We'll be up against these lot alone, Air Force not included. Force Size Strength: 255,000 Surface Force Aircraft Carrier: 1 Destroyer: 26 Frigate: 49 Large landing Ship: 27 Medium landing Ship: 31 Fast attack craft: 200+ Submarine Force SSBN: 3 SSN: 5~7 SSK: 56 Naval Aviation Manpower: 26,000 Aircraft: 400~500 Marine Corps Manpower: 10,000 Major Naval Bases Lushun Qingdao Shanghai (Wusong) Zhoushan Fuzhou Xiamen Guangzhou Zhanjiang Yulin In order to prevent a Nuclear War with China, the US really have no choice but to support the Philippines (as the "pit bull" unleashed) and beef us up to the teeth for a Naval showdown which may include allies like Japan, Australia and others. Edited by AVBsupersonic, Dec 15 2012, 06:01 PM.
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| TonyStark2020 | Dec 15 2012, 06:58 PM Post #20 |
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@AVB, So do you think your thoughts - ay may koneksyon sa recently approved AFP "wish list"? |
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