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Sec. del Rosario: Beijing told Manila it aims to permanently station ships in Scarborough Shoal, creating an 'impossible' situation
Topic Started: Nov 30 2012, 07:43 PM (4,503 Views)
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Seabed a Hotbed of Controversy for Philippines, China

Thomas Maresca, Special for USA TODAY12:51p.m. EST January 21, 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/21/philippines-china-sea/1833467/

MASINLOC, Philippines -- Romeo Taneo, 39, has been going to Scarborough Shoal for as long as he can remember.

The rich schools of fish such as tuna found along the chain of reefs and rocks 124 miles from shore have been fished by the people of this Philippine town for centuries. But the 2,000 fishermen of Masinloc haven't gone there in months, not since Chinese vessels arrived to claim the shoal for China even though its coastline is 500 miles away.

"We can't fish there anymore," Taneo said. "Whenever we go near, the Chinese chase us away."

"We're afraid to go to Scarborough now," said Francis Alaras, who has been fishing for 15 years out of Subic Bay. "Even the Coast Guard is afraid to go there."


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Jan 21 2013, 12:33 PM
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Nov 30 2012, 11:34 PM
Trillanes, Trillanes where arth though. Lumabas ka na. Bakit tumahik ka? Yung mga pinagtatangol pati si Trillanes ano masasabi nyo ngayon?

Everything is coordinated. China was just buying time to have that law passed. Now that those 3 ships would never leave, by Jan. 1, 2013 anyone approaching the shoal will be apprehended by the Chinese.

I'll just repeat what I previously posted!!
He's busy kicking Enrile's butt out in the senate.
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Jan 22 2013, 12:00 AM
I think we're technically at war now.
We where already at war when the chinese decided to claim those island as theres. We were just too slow to notice it. :headbang:
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The thing is, kung meron talaga tayong enough capabilities na lumaban, matagal na tayo nakipag barilan sa mga intsik, at di lang iyon, kung meron tayong desenteng military capabilities, baka di na tayo na-bully ng mga intsik.

Oh well, we learned our lesson. I understand kung bakit napakabagal ng modernization natin, marami kasi tayong kalaban sa politika, mapa sa loob ng bansa, at sa labas ng bansa. Nandyan ang mga komunista at mga separatists, dagdagan pa ang tsina, tapos itong reluctant americans dahil wala na silang pera kaya kahit sila nagiingat na mapaaway sa china.

So, anong magagawa natin kundi magintay, ituloy lang ang modernization at tsaka na natin gerahin ang tsina kapag malakas na tayo. Babawiin din natin yang mga nawala sa teritoryo natin. Meron pa naman tayong Benham Rise.

Kasi kung susundan natin ang example ni Jose Rizal na idaan lahat sa diplomatiko, wala tayong magagawa ngayon kundi magintay lang talaga. Kasi kung titirahin ng pilipinas ang tsina now, ano ipapantira natin? Wala.

Pero kung talagang gusto ng administrasyon ni PNoy, at kung gusto nating tularin si Andres Bonifacio, then meron silang magagawa. Ilusob na lahat ng vintage warships natin sa Scarborough Shoal! Bahala na! Tapos. Yan yung sinasabi nila, give it up or we die for it! Bahala na ang mundo! Basta ipaglaban lang ang ating teritoryo kahit wala tayong kabilidad.

"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato

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Jan 22 2013, 09:54 AM
The thing is, kung meron talaga tayong enough capabilities na lumaban, matagal na tayo nakipag barilan sa mga intsik, at di lang iyon, kung meron tayong desenteng military capabilities, baka di na tayo na-bully ng mga intsik.

Oh well, we learned our lesson. I understand kung bakit napakabagal ng modernization natin, marami kasi tayong kalaban sa politika, mapa sa loob ng bansa, at sa labas ng bansa. Nandyan ang mga komunista at mga separatists, dagdagan pa ang tsina, tapos itong reluctant americans dahil wala na silang pera kaya kahit sila nagiingat na mapaaway sa china.

So, anong magagawa natin kundi magintay, ituloy lang ang modernization at tsaka na natin gerahin ang tsina kapag malakas na tayo. Babawiin din natin yang mga nawala sa teritoryo natin. Meron pa naman tayong Benham Rise.

Kasi kung susundan natin ang example ni Jose Rizal na idaan lahat sa diplomatiko, wala tayong magagawa ngayon kundi magintay lang talaga. Kasi kung titirahin ng pilipinas ang tsina now, ano ipapantira natin? Wala.

Pero kung talagang gusto ng administrasyon ni PNoy, at kung gusto nating tularin si Andres Bonifacio, then meron silang magagawa. Ilusob na lahat ng vintage warships natin sa Scarborough Shoal! Bahala na! Tapos. Yan yung sinasabi nila, give it up or we die for it! Bahala na ang mundo! Basta ipaglaban lang ang ating teritoryo kahit wala tayong kabilidad.

After the Sate of Israel was formed, how did they manage to defend themselves against a cohort of Arab nations attacking them the next day and won the war? Let's take that as a lesson of going to war without long preparation time or no preparation at all. They made it because they were united. I doubt if our fellow Filipinos will have the same trait as the Israelis. Hence the wait and see mode.
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I agree with you Spear! Our freedom and country is at stake. We need to be passionate maybe like the Black Nazarene procession wherein over a million show up!
Edited by Santi Kampilan, Jan 22 2013, 12:30 PM.
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Jan 22 2013, 02:44 AM
Sir Pach, I think raising the issue is pointless. The violation that chinese are commiting to our EEZ is clear as daylight. So if UNCLOS has the capability to impose its own rules then we all know the verdict long time ago. Besides even we file a formal case against the chinks, they don't recognize UNCLOS. :thumbsdown:
Whether you think it is pointless or not... It has to be raised. A formal complaint has to be made to the UNCLOS in order for them to act on it. The big issue here is why haven't they done so after 7 months?

Most of us hate the "paper work", the formalities. Much like when a member of your family dies, why does one need a physician to confirm and sign a certificate of death when obviously the person is dead? It pisses us off. Unfortunately, that is what happens in real life. Such is also true for the UNCLOS.

BTW. China is a signatory to the UNCLOS. Be that said, I think it is safe to say that they recognize it. It's following the rules and their word of honour which is in doubt here.
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Relevant provisions of the philippine constitution relating to our national territory/sovereignty that every Filipino citizen's duty is to uphold:
Preamble
We, the sovereign Filipino people, imploring the aid of Almighty God, in order to build a just and humane society and establish a Government that shall embody our ideals and aspirations, promote the common good, conserve and develop our patrimony, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of independence and democracy under the rule of law and a regime of truth, justice, freedom, love, equality, and peace, do ordain and promulgate this Constitution.
ARTICLE I
NATIONAL TERRITORY
The national territory comprises the Philippine archipelago, with all the islands and waters embraced therein, and all other territories over which the Philippines has sovereignty or jurisdiction, consisting of its terrestrial, fluvial and aerial domains, including its territorial sea, the seabed, the subsoil, the insular shelves, and other submarine areas. The waters around between, the connecting the islands of the archipelago, regardless of their breadth and dimensions, form part of the internal waters of the Philippines.
Article II
Section 1. The Philippines is a democratic and republican State. Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.
Section 3. Civilian authority is, at all times, supreme over the military. The Armed Forces of the Philippines is the protector of the people and the State. Its goal is to secure the sovereignty of the State and the integrity of the national territory.
Section 7. The State shall pursue an independent foreign policy. In its relations with other states the paramount consideration shall be national sovereignty, territorial integrity, national interest, and the right to self- determination.
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the only problem to the u.n. is the security council

hierarchy of the un

correct me if I'm wrong

1st general assembly - for formalities only
2nd security counsel - somewhat the real figure head
3rd unesco unicef and so forth

99 percent of the u.n. might agree with us heck even the tribunal with agree with us but whose gonna enforce it?
china being a security council member will always veto any actions against it either economically or militarily.

... hugo chaves is right.... well with only this phrase, the u.n. must be reorganized so each and every country would stand on equal footing and will not be at the mercy of the five permanent members of the security counsel.

it takes for them time to act due to the back door diplomacy like in the case of libya and now syria(and the genocide in rwanda heck they cant even agree with the meaning of genocide)

voice of the majority.
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Jan 22 2013, 12:36 PM
When the Chinese came to the Philippines, they occupied a part of Binondo and called it Chinatown. Against our will they have occupied Bajo de masinloc and even called that Huangyan Island. those politicians and Filipinos who will accept Chinese hegemony shall be called traitors. nationalism should be taught to our children at an early age so that they will grow with love of our country in their hearts. I call on all Filipinos to unite. Show the world that we are willing to die defending what is rightfully ours. Our heroes did not die in vain. It is better to die fighting that live under the shame of cowardice. Let's expel those Chinese from our motherland.
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AGREE WITH MAVERICK! EITHER YOU FOLLOW OUR TRADITIONS AND CUSTOMS OR DIE!TO ALL INTSIK THERE LIKE LUCIO TAN AND HENRY SY WATCH OUT!


I admire the nationalism, although misplaced. Good God! Do you both know who you guys sound like? Human history is full of people with the same ideas. - We don't need more of those kind.

Didn't I read once that the Philippines is a melting pot of various cultures and races? Where is it said that
Filipinos of Chinese lineage aren't Filipinos? What is a Filipino then? Need not expand more on that. I sure you've both grasped the idea already.



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