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| Sec. del Rosario: Beijing told Manila it aims to permanently station ships in Scarborough Shoal, creating an 'impossible' situation | |
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| AZKALS | Jan 21 2013, 02:00 PM Post #21 |
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Bajo de Masinloc Crucial to Chinas Claim of Whole South China Sea By Ellen Tordesillas, VERA Files Posted at 01/21/2013 12:02 AM | Updated as of 01/21/2013 12:02 AM http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/01/20/13/bajo-de-masinloc-crucial-china%E2%80%99s-claim-whole-south-china-sea (Conclusion) The permanent stationing of three of its ships in Bajo de Masinloc is part of China’s “creeping invasion” of disputed territories in the South China Sea, a high-ranking Philippine government official said. Bajo de Masinloc is Huangyan island to China, which has time and again reiterated “that Huangyan Island and Nansha Islands have always been parts of Chinese territory and that the People’s Republic of China has indisputable sovereignty over these islands and their adjacent waters.” “The claim to territory sovereignty over Huangyan Island and Nansha Islands by the Philippines is illegal and invalid," China says. |
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| Marschall | Jan 21 2013, 02:19 PM Post #22 |
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Send in 3 PCG ships with the order not to fire first. See what happens. If China fires, the world will watch and react. If the Government chooses not to do anything, then China will learn than it can simply push the boundaries of its claims farther into Philippine territory - without any serious backlash. By this point, if there are still politicians thinking you can trust China and have certain "agreements" with them, it would be hard not to lose all hope for the Philippines. |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| spearhead | Jan 22 2013, 12:00 AM Post #23 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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I think we're technically at war now. |
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| pachador | Jan 22 2013, 01:56 AM Post #24 |
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thats what it looks like. can we all help in looking at the UNCLOS rules ? I vaguely remember that foreign military ships can transit or pass through the 200 mile EEZ, but if they remain stationary or permanently, is that an act of war or belligerence ?? that we can act forcefully ?? if this happened in vietnam, they will defnitely act even if they are weak - they have acted before even before all their new weapons purchases. they are very nationalistic and emotional. on the other hand , perhaps, our govt is just building up a minimum defense setup before they start bulldozing the squatters. what bothers me is why they have not brought it before UNCLOS yet ?? they keep talking but they have not brought it to unclos. bringing it before unclos is a peaceful act unless our govt is behaving like a rape victim being admonished by a bully na "tumahimik ka at huwag kang maingay at kung hindi bugbugin kita" Edited by pachador, Jan 22 2013, 02:05 AM.
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| Prinsipe Abante | Jan 22 2013, 02:38 AM Post #25 |
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Yes, how come they can't or won't file protest against China formally to Unclos at ITLOS?- I think they already know this when our PN's PF-15 was ordered to pull back in April, which was the biggest mistake I think..
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| Leon II | Jan 22 2013, 02:44 AM Post #26 |
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Sir Pach, I think raising the issue is pointless. The violation that chinese are commiting to our EEZ is clear as daylight. So if UNCLOS has the capability to impose its own rules then we all know the verdict long time ago. Besides even we file a formal case against the chinks, they don't recognize UNCLOS.
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" I am the punishment of God...If you had not commited great sins, God would not have sent a ounishment like me upon you." -Genghis Khan- | |
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| Prinsipe Abante | Jan 22 2013, 03:13 AM Post #27 |
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^ But, how come China filed daw a protest against Japan? -http://globalnation.inquirer.net/50442/dfa-china-invokes-un-law-vs-japan-but-not-against-philippines |
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| gammy322 | Jan 22 2013, 04:38 AM Post #28 |
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According to Mayor Hagedorn regarding our claim to West Philippine Sea..." dalawang bagay lng namn ang pwede nating gawin dyan, EITHER WE DIE FOR IT OR JUST GIVE UP THE PLACE". I would say WE DIE FOR IT!
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| pachador | Jan 22 2013, 05:19 AM Post #29 |
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Yup, kung ayaw ng gobyerno ipaglaban ang ating teritoryo, then we do not have any business being an independent republic because essentially the government is violating the philippine constitution(read the constitution's preamble). if thats the case we should apply to be a province of china.
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| pachador | Jan 22 2013, 05:24 AM Post #30 |
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we need to have a clear-cut international legal basis in case we have reached our boiling point, and we start ramming. so if the bully responds violently, they cannot say we acted illegally because we already have the UNCLOS ruling in our favor. in theory, the UNCLOS rules does favor us overwhelmingly but, its better na plantsado as we do not have a clearcut unclos ruling specific to bajo de masinloc or reed bank. with a clear-cut ruling, big allies like japan, australia or the US will have much more solid grounds to intervene on our behalf- super klarong-klaro ang ebidensya kung baga. Edited by pachador, Jan 22 2013, 05:29 AM.
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