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| Sec. del Rosario: Beijing told Manila it aims to permanently station ships in Scarborough Shoal, creating an 'impossible' situation | |
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| seWer Rat | Nov 30 2012, 07:43 PM Post #1 |
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China has told the Philippines it intends to keep ships permanently stationed at the disputed Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea, according to the Philippines' foreign secretary. In a wide-ranging interview yesterday with the South China Morning Post, Secretary Albert del Rosario described Beijing's moves as "dictatorial" and warned that its new leadership might struggle to ignore demands from the public for more assertiveness. He said he feared a permanent presence would make it "impossible" to return to earlier diplomatic efforts to prevent the dispute harming broader Sino-Philippine ties. "They have told us what their intention is, we don't have to guess," del Rosario said when asked about the activities of Chinese ships at the shoal - known in Chinese as Huangyan Island or as Panatag Shoal to the Philippines. "They say that these ships will remain there permanently. The longer the ships remain, the more impossible the situation becomes." Del Rosario's remarks come after days of diplomacy over the strategic and oil-rich South China Sea, virtually all of which is claimed by China through its controversial nine-dotted line. The Philippines objected to Cambodian claims at an Asean meeting this month that the grouping had agreed not to "internationalise" the issue, while Manila, Hanoi and New Delhi have formally protested against new Chinese passports showing the nine-dotted line. Del Rosario confirmed, meanwhile, that the Philippines was seeking clarification about new rules published yesterday by the China Daily that would allow Hainan police to board and search ships in the South China Sea. He said Philippine surveillance aircraft had noted that three Chinese coastguard-type ships remained near Scarborough Shoal while a boom remained to block access. After a two-month stand-off, the sides agreed in June to withdraw ships from the area - a deal Manila says has been ignored by Beijing. In one discussion a month ago, Deputy Foreign Minister Fu Ying said Beijing intended to keep ships there permanently, rejecting Manila's sovereignty claims. more |
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| gammy322 | Nov 30 2012, 09:54 PM Post #2 |
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It is high time we brought this issue to the UN so that CHINA will move out of our territory... We cannot move them out by force as to date, unless the US interferes and sends its Naval Force to Scarborough... our PCG cannot persuade them to go away! |
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| icefrog | Nov 30 2012, 11:34 PM Post #3 |
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Trillanes, Trillanes where arth though. Lumabas ka na. Bakit tumahik ka? Yung mga pinagtatangol pati si Trillanes ano masasabi nyo ngayon? Everything is coordinated. China was just buying time to have that law passed. Now that those 3 ships would never leave, by Jan. 1, 2013 anyone approaching the shoal will be apprehended by the Chinese. |
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| romayu | Dec 1 2012, 09:49 PM Post #4 |
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the government must act now... we should send our own ships back and enforce our own sovereignty... china just keeps bullying us because at the slightest sign of trouble we keep backing away... we have more right to the shoal since it was considered part of the philippines... china only got interested in it when it was found that there might possibly be oil deposits beneath... |
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| Samir_Duran | Dec 7 2012, 09:04 AM Post #5 |
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So? Ano sana gusto mo mangyari? Nagpatigasan hanggang sa mauwi sa walang saysay na pagkasawi ng ating mga marino? So para sa iyo, mas mabuti pa na nagkagiyera na lang in the first place? Ganun ba? |
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| superman | Dec 7 2012, 09:18 AM Post #6 |
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We can't do anything about it anymore, It's too late now, even internationalizing it nothing will happen, US has too much interest in China they would just sit there idle in zubic, what we can do is to safeguard our remaining claim because in a wink of eye China will not look back and think to about it they will surely get. China is on revenge in the world stage, history is the witness how they were manipulated by great powers particularly the British and Japan and now it's their time to score and we just a piece of ewwww to them we can do so much but on a very uncertain future. |
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| Samir_Duran | Dec 7 2012, 09:35 AM Post #7 |
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Just a clarification. The US have said it will not take sides on the dispute. Hence, the wait and see tactics in Subic. However, if shooting happens and most importantly the Chinese fired the first shot then the Americans will step in and protect the Philippines under the MDT. Ganyan ang pagkakaintindi namin dito. The dispute is already an international concern. Most countries in the world knows who really owns that pieces of rocks lying west of the Philippine waters. Even mother Spain have shown it to the world on their old maps and cartographies. And as Filipinos, we all know by heart that even before we were colonized our ancestors have fished there long before Limahong or any Chinese even ventured beyond their shores. And it was evident that the Chinese just got so interested about these rocks because of a recent findings of oil in the area. But before that, they did not even care. So what if they will station ships at Panatag shoal permanently? Does that diminish our ownership of those territories? Heck no. China is just showing to the world how pathetic and st*pid their actions are. Let them be. We know our leaders are doing all they can to resolve the issue - perhaps not in our generation but maybe on the next without firing the first shot. Edited by Samir_Duran, Dec 7 2012, 09:38 AM.
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| superman | Dec 7 2012, 10:15 AM Post #8 |
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Yes sir, got your point I just want to raise this question, can we defend our fisherman if they harass by chicoms in WPS or simply they should not go in there anymore? what we can do if they start drilling the area? what if they start inching closer to our shore and claim the remaining part of it? I am hoping that we can resolve it peacefully but the way China behaving right now is very authoritative, I agree about Spanish time ownership of WPS but I somehow sense that China is using their old civilization as more weight to them than the Spanish,British or American conquest for the WPS ownership. I don't want to argue it's a waste of time maybe a good exchange of opinion, I was just raising my frustration to our inability and lack of vision from our previous leaders, A visionary leaders should have foreseen it coming 2 decades ago and already prepared this happening now. I admire American author "TOM CLANCY" for his visionary book about WPS/SWS scenario I had a glimse of it somehow I forgot the books name that future in SCS will arise with the rising of China. |
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| PinoyAko | Dec 7 2012, 11:07 AM Post #9 |
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If countries around the world and UN; consider the importance of free navigation and trade at SCS/WPS, they should send a multilateral maritime patrol or we called peacekeepers to police the area until concrete EEZ of each country was determined by UNCLOS. |
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| Uruzu | Dec 7 2012, 05:14 PM Post #10 |
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Imo it is too late now. It is the other side who has conplete control around the shoal. I wouldnt be surprised if this becomes another scarborough. There is one thing i dont get. So it's been at least 5 months since the supposed deal for both sides to withdraw ships has been agreed. All this time has passed and still all your government did was talk talk talk. One would assume the most logical response is to send back a ship or two to assert your sovereignty, lets say in july, once its clear china is not following any agreements. For an outsider like me, observing the dispute to more issues such as the passport row, all i observe is indecisiveness, hesistation and lack of spine and initiative from your government. This will only encourage the chinese to be more bold as they know all your government do is only talk no action. |
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