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Philippine Navy Modernization; PN related modernization projects, acquisitions, updates
Topic Started: Aug 29 2012, 02:45 PM (78,043 Views)
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Mar 20 2013, 03:37 PM
Matrix the requiremnt is for 2 frigates , this is separate from the opv acquisition. Unless otherwise the navy will change the requirement to opvs with frigate capabilities.we should expect a ship with displacent over 2000 tons and 100 meters in size
The last time I checked, our budget for new frigate is $ 140M each. Well, if the Koreans will sell the FFX with ASW, ASuW and ADW for $ 140M, that's fine with me.

The interesting part here is, what kind of frigate the Koreans will offer at $ 140M in terms of size and capabilities.
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OK, I know we are looking at new-builds and the Maestrale is dead. Why can't we look at this option since we are short of funds?

Turkey was recently turned down by the US Senate for 2 FFG-7 Donations (Article). The Jewish, Greeks and Armenians have powerful lobby groups to thwart any attempts or continued attempts to get these fine ships for free, especially by a long time nemesis Turkey. My question is why can't we do the same? Why not lobby for free for these fine ships if budget is a big problem.
We have a new group, the US-Philippine Society, that can do some serious lobbying if we want something to be done.

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Even if the OHP does not have its MK-13 missile launcher, it doesn can carry a couple of SH-60's .The two SH-60s can be armed with Penguin ASMs, so they are actually pretty effective for ASW and for ASuW in the environments they are supposed to operate in. And they are very heavily utilized in sea lane patrols, anti piracy operations etc, for which an inexpensive ship with a 76mm, various small arms and two armed helicopters is just about perfect. The USN has contracted the purchase of RIM-116 RAM short range missile launchers for the remaining FFG-7s in service, which will be a lot more effective against the kind of threats the Perrys are expected to face than the SM1MRs would have been. We can do the same and maybe place them in lieu of the MK-13's. Inexpenisive and yet effective. I think there is a budget for two ASW Heli's besides the 3+2 options that was recently ordered.
Let us make use of our lobbying group. I am sure Negroponte and the other high profile leaders are not free. We might as well use it to the max. Not unless these in the picture are for Papogi lang purposes.
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Would the PH government and the Philippine public accept another US base in the Philippines? During world war II, when Britain was on its knees because of rampant U-boat attacks; Churchill decided to visits the US. He asked for 11 world war I era destroyers in exchange for a 99 year lease of US bases in Britain. The US accepted and after world war II, britain enjoyed technological exchange with US. Maybe we could do the same in exchange for old diesel powered Frigates and old corvettes from the US.
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Kraith, that may require constitutional change which could be tedious and lengthy. Plus, you've got leftist in the government whose objective runs counter to the freedom loving, god fearing, enterprising rising middle class. Within the confines of Visiting Forces Agreement, yes. Even that needs to be crafted and done carefully. As it is right now we are stuck in a rut of being masters of procrastination and the so-called "Filipino Time", which is always late and last minute.
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By the way, there is a glut of FFG-7's available as USN decommissioned 6 Perry's last year and so far they have decommed 4 and an additional two more will be available before the end of the year. That's a total of 12. Why can't we get a couple? Thailand and Mexico are getting a couple each. Taiwan is getting 4...FOUR! COGAG....who cares... it's free right? What is the fear, the unknown? Like they say in Zamboanga, "ere,ere pero quiere".
Those who have lined up to asked for these such as Pakistan will undoubtedly not be favored anymore. See this Article- Pakistan's Dream Navy
"Cloughley said obtaining further Perry frigates is now unlikely, and that both the US and the UK (which has four surplus Type-42 destroyers up for disposal) are “reluctant” to provide combat vessels that would meet strong Indian objections."
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By the way, there is a glut of FFG-7's available as USN decommissioned 6 Perry's last year and so far they have decommed 4 and an additional two more will be available before the end of the year. That's a total of 12. Why can't we get a couple? Thailand and Mexico are getting a couple each. Taiwan is getting 4...FOUR! COGAG....who cares... it's free right? What is the fear, the unknown? Like they say in Zamboanga, "ere,ere pero quiere".
Those who have lined up to asked for these such as Pakistan will undoubtedly not be favored anymore. See this Article- Pakistan's Dream Navy
"Cloughley said obtaining further Perry frigates is now unlikely, and that both the US and the UK (which has four surplus Type-42 destroyers up for disposal) are “reluctant” to provide combat vessels that would meet strong Indian objections."
DND will not take it if it is free.... you know what i mean! :headbang:
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Philippines Boosts Military to Resist 'Bullies' Amid China Dispute

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/philippines-boosts-military-resist-bullies-20130521

Published on May 21, 2013 | 5:47 PM

Philippine President Benigno Aquino III addresses the media shortly after leading the 115th Philippine Navy anniversary celebration at Fort San Felipe, Cavite city, south-west of Manila, Philippines on Tuesday, May 21, 2013. Mr Aquino on Tuesday announced a US$1.8 billion (S$2.26 billion) military upgrade to help defend his country's maritime territory against "bullies", amid an ever-worsening dispute with China.

In thinly veiled comments referring to China, Mr Aquino vowed during a speech to mark the navy's 115th anniversary that the armed forces would be given the resources necessary to protect Philippine sovereignty."We have a clear message to the world: The Philippines is for Filipinos, and we have the capability to resist bullies entering our backyard," Mr Aquino told naval chiefs.
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New Navy choppers to be delivered December

...Navy chief Vice Adm. Jose Luis Alano said the three helicopters would constitute the first batch of air assets to be delivered by the supplier AugustaWestland S.P.A.

The government is acquiring a total five AW 109 Power helicopters from the Anglo-Italian firm for P1.3 billion...

http://www.philstar.com/nation/2013/05/21/944730/new-navy-choppers-be-delivered-december

so the other 2 are the asw helos?

The day is now!!!


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Philippines to acquire warfare equipment for Navy
(philstar.com) | Updated May 21, 2013 - 11:15pm
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MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - President Benigno S. Aquino III disclosed today the warfare equipment to be purchased by his administration that will help boost the capability of the Navy.

The country's second class cutter, the BRP Ramon Alcaraz, which came from the United States, is expected to arrive in Manila in August.

"We are planning to buy three multi-purpose attack craft, eight amphibious assault vehicles, two each of frigate and anti- submarine warfare-capable helicopter, and (the plan) to improve our Communication, Intelligence and Surveillance System," he said in the keynote speech at the 115th anniversary of the Philippine Navy held in northern province of Cavite.

The President said that the government is also pushing on the Strategic Sail Plan 2020 of the Philippine Navy, which aims for a stronger and more effective service of the agency.

He said he wants the Filipinos to feel that they are secure wherever they are, whether here in the Philippines or abroad.
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