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Fifth gen fighter aircraft to be unveiled in India by 2014
Topic Started: Aug 19 2012, 08:26 PM (1,280 Views)
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Fifth gen fighter aircraft to be unveiled in India by 2014

New Delhi: The initial version of a fighter plane, being jointly developed by India and Russia and tipped to be one of the most-advanced in the world, will be unveiled in India in 2014.

The Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) with stealth features is slated to be inducted in the Indian Air Force by 2022.

The two sides are close to signing a key contract expected to be worth over USD 11 billion for research and development phase of the project in the near future.

"The first prototype of the FGFA is scheduled to arrive in India by 2014 after which it will undergo extensive trials at the Ojhar air base (Maharashtra)...We are hopeful that the aircraft would be ready for induction by 2022," IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne told a news agency.

The IAF Chief was in Russia in the second week of August where he reviewed the progress made in the programme and the prototypes of the aircraft developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau at Zhukovsky there.

India plans to acquire 214 of these fighter planes by the end of 2030 at an estimated cost of over USD 30 billion.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/fifth-gen-fighter-aircraft-to-be-unveiled-in-india-by-2014_794600.html
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PAK-FA? TA-50?

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Aug 19 2012, 09:18 PM
PAK-FA? TA-50?

FGFA or Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft is an Indian variant of basic PAKFA/T-50 with some improvements tailor made for IAF specification same as the Su30MKI with other Indian and probably some western avionics and sub systems. FGFA will differ from the current T-50 prototypes for a total of 43 improvements. IAF is planning to buy 50 odd Russian variants before the two seat FGFA is developed.
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Is India allowed to export their variant?? I'm pretty sure you have at least Malaysia that is willing to import India's variant
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arnie
Aug 19 2012, 11:42 PM
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Aug 19 2012, 09:18 PM
PAK-FA? TA-50?

FGFA or Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft is an Indian variant of basic PAKFA/T-50 with some improvements tailor made for IAF specification same as the Su30MKI with other Indian and probably some western avionics and sub systems. FGFA will differ from the current T-50 prototypes for a total of 43 improvements. IAF is planning to buy 50 odd Russian variants before the two seat FGFA is developed.
I hope this is not another spin from Russia and India.

What I'm wondering is why would they develop another 5th gen ac when the Russia already have the T-50 running tests???

It's either a waste of money (and time) OR a propaganda to divert attention from T-50's limitations (RCS, weapons bay, weapons).
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steelDUST
Aug 20 2012, 05:39 AM
arnie
Aug 19 2012, 11:42 PM
steelDUST
Aug 19 2012, 09:18 PM
PAK-FA? TA-50?

FGFA or Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft is an Indian variant of basic PAKFA/T-50 with some improvements tailor made for IAF specification same as the Su30MKI with other Indian and probably some western avionics and sub systems. FGFA will differ from the current T-50 prototypes for a total of 43 improvements. IAF is planning to buy 50 odd Russian variants before the two seat FGFA is developed.
I hope this is not another spin from Russia and India.

What I'm wondering is why would they develop another 5th gen ac when the Russia already have the T-50 running tests???

It's either a waste of money (and time) OR a propaganda to divert attention from T-50's limitations (RCS, weapons bay, weapons).
It's the same plane. India's variant is just customized base on their requirements w/c contains usually a combination of French, Israeli and indigenous avionics and specialty pods. India also prefers 2-seaters because they prefer a dedicated navigator while Russia's T-50s would be 1-seaters. This is the same way India's SU-30MKI is different from Russia's own Su-30SM variant. Malaysia's Su-30MKM w/c is based on the MKI is also slightly different from the MKI.

Vietnam's SU-30MK2 are also different from Indonesia's SU-30MK2 and I'm 100% sure Vietnam's SU-30 MK2 and India's SU-30MKI is a lot different from China's Su-30s. Uses different radars too, if I'm not mistaken. China also chose to have no trust vectoring and no canards too if I'm not mistaken on their SU-27/30s and the radar they use are generally believed to be less powerful than the radars given to India by the Russians. The MK2 and the MKI-based SU-30s are also made by different aviation companies/plants and they have their own propriety technologies as well.

Hope this makes it more clearer or does it confuses you more?
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icefrog
Aug 20 2012, 06:25 AM
steelDUST
Aug 20 2012, 05:39 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 11:42 PM
steelDUST
Aug 19 2012, 09:18 PM
PAK-FA? TA-50?

FGFA or Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft is an Indian variant of basic PAKFA/T-50 with some improvements tailor made for IAF specification same as the Su30MKI with other Indian and probably some western avionics and sub systems. FGFA will differ from the current T-50 prototypes for a total of 43 improvements. IAF is planning to buy 50 odd Russian variants before the two seat FGFA is developed.
I hope this is not another spin from Russia and India.

What I'm wondering is why would they develop another 5th gen ac when the Russia already have the T-50 running tests???

It's either a waste of money (and time) OR a propaganda to divert attention from T-50's limitations (RCS, weapons bay, weapons).
It's the same plane. India's variant is just customized base on their requirements w/c contains usually a combination of French, Israeli and indigenous avionics and specialty pods. India also prefers 2-seaters because they prefer a dedicated navigator while Russia's T-50s would be 1-seaters. This is the same way India's SU-30MKI is different from Russia's own Su-30SM variant. Malaysia's Su-30MKM w/c is based on the MKI is also slightly different from the MKI.

Vietnam's SU-30MK2 are also different from Indonesia's SU-30MK2 and I'm 100% sure Vietnam's SU-30 MK2 and India's SU-30MKI is a lot different from China's Su-30s. Uses different radars too, if I'm not mistaken. China also chose to have no trust vectoring and no canards too if I'm not mistaken on their SU-27/30s and the radar they use are generally believed to be less powerful than the radars given to India by the Russians. The MK2 and the MKI-based SU-30s are also made by different aviation companies/plants and they have their own propriety technologies as well.

Hope this makes it more clearer or does it confuses you more?
No, sir icefrog. Thanks.

I'm well aware of the Flanker versions existing among Russian customers.

What made me wonder was the article's use of word "unveil" and phrase "initial version" which to an uninitiated will conclude a new aircraft.

Anyways, not a surprise as the Russians are quite simply versatile in customizing their products. Hope it will be a successful one so as to provide an alternative, and not give the US a monopoly in 5th gen platforms that subjects to their approval and political considerations.
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steelDUST
Aug 20 2012, 05:39 AM
arnie
Aug 19 2012, 11:42 PM
steelDUST
Aug 19 2012, 09:18 PM
PAK-FA? TA-50?

FGFA or Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft is an Indian variant of basic PAKFA/T-50 with some improvements tailor made for IAF specification same as the Su30MKI with other Indian and probably some western avionics and sub systems. FGFA will differ from the current T-50 prototypes for a total of 43 improvements. IAF is planning to buy 50 odd Russian variants before the two seat FGFA is developed.
I hope this is not another spin from Russia and India.

What I'm wondering is why would they develop another 5th gen ac when the Russia already have the T-50 running tests???

It's either a waste of money (and time) OR a propaganda to divert attention from T-50's limitations (RCS, weapons bay, weapons).
This is not a spin the Indians and Russians have been working on this program for sometime now. Right now the Russians and Indians have already signed development contracts with them and is slated to be ready for initial testing by 2014 or 2015 timeframe and full production for 2022.
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because the Indian 5th gen will have Israeli system to it for the reason that India have a bigger trust to Israel technology just like what they do the SU-30MKI it have many Israeli system installed to it.

and India what a more stealthy version of T/A-50 because according to them it's not stealthy enough(this is the reason why the Indian version have an F-22 like jet engine(2D with Flat nozzle)) and they what a twin seat for it.

here are some pix which look more stealthy than the Russian version
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Haters gonna Hate....India is slowly but steadily achieving everything
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