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Philippine Navy in the market for 4 Anti-Submarine Warfare helicopters
Topic Started: Aug 19 2012, 01:50 PM (10,158 Views)
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romayu
Aug 22 2012, 04:44 PM
i hope it would be the aw-101... it has a load capacity for troops and is currently being used by the royal navy for anti submarine duty... :salute:
The Merlin, I think, is too big and heavy (about 10 tons) for the Hamilton or Maestrale.

Compared with the Super Lynx, which only weighs about 3 tons, the Merlin is of the other league. Same with it's unit cost.

What is ideal would be the Super Lynx Mk99 for HAS, HMA,

...and coupled with an AEW heli (either the Aerospatiale Cougar (about 9tons) or the Ka-31.

I don't know if there's an AEW version for the Lynx. If there is one then it again is suited for our warships by virtue of weight.





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the maestrale can support the aw-101 since it has facilities for two ab-212 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare
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Aug 22 2012, 07:23 PM
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the maestrale can support the aw-101 since it has facilities for two ab-212 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare
Well, as far as I'm concerned 2 light ASW helicopters is always better than 1 heavy ASW helicopter.

2 can cover a wider area than 1 or can alternate with each other for longer endurance.

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Aug 22 2012, 07:23 PM
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the maestrale can support the aw-101 since it has facilities for two ab-212 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare
Of course, it can support the Merlin as Italy's been operating it from their frigates.

But the questions that beg answers are: as for ASW requirement, which is cheaper to procure and operate: Super Lynx or Merlin? Which of the two platforms provides better synergic effeciency for the warships (in terms of weight that will affect the ship's performance)?

Obviously, your "ideal" Merlin is not the answer for the above questions.
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the aw-101 has a range of 1,389 miles compared to the ab-212 which has a maximum range of only 286 miles. hence, no contest with regards on endurance plus the fact that only one helicopter will be assigned per ship as per the navy's plans...
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what warships carry the 101 as its ASW helicopter?
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I think the AW159 is an AEW heli as it's equipped with an AESA radar for ASuW covering both air-to-surface and air-to-air environment.

Any thoughts if this is an airborne early warning platform? Thanks!
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Aug 22 2012, 08:03 PM
the aw-101 has a range of 1,389 miles compared to the ab-212 which has a maximum range of only 286 miles. hence, no contest with regards on endurance plus the fact that only one helicopter will be assigned per ship as per the navy's plans...
Still, it's unconfirmed whether the Maestrale can accomodate the Merlin as the only info at hand suggests only the AB212 for the Maestrale.

Kindly provide a link to support your argument. Thanks.
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But the questions that beg answers are: as for ASW requirement, which is cheaper to procure and operate: Super Lynx or Merlin? Which of the two platforms provides better synergic effeciency for the warships (in terms of weight that will affect the ship's performance)?

the peruvian navy operated the sea king helicopter which is heavier than the aw-101 on their carvajal class frigate(a version of the lupo class frigate) without any problems with their performance...
the maestrale being a more advanced version of the lupo class would be able to handle it with only a minimal effect on performance.
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Aug 22 2012, 07:31 PM
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Aug 22 2012, 07:23 PM
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the maestrale can support the aw-101 since it has facilities for two ab-212 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare
Well, as far as I'm concerned 2 light ASW helicopters is always better than 1 heavy ASW helicopter.

2 can cover a wider area than 1 or can alternate with each other for longer endurance.

All forms of antisubmarine warfare are based on strategies which cause the submarines to surrender either their invisibility/stealth or their mobility. Generally, since the submarine can be destroyed once it is located, the effort in antisubmarine warfare goes primarily into finding it. And any submarines that attack must surrender their invisibility, inviting counterattacks from escort ships.

Since the AW109 can only be possibly equipped with active sonars (correct me if im wrong) because of their limited lightweight capability, an ASW helicopters carrying both sonobuoys and dipping sonars are still far more effective in hunting. However, like what you said if they used 2 AW109s to search the area and then defined by their sensors quickly enough to detect the submarines before it leaves the area would be great. Some homing torpedoes (using active or passive sonars) from Maestrales could be used immediately for counter attack.






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