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Wary US ‘conquers’ Asia-Pacific waters
Topic Started: Aug 12 2012, 03:21 PM (5,048 Views)
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Andres Boning
Jun 7 2013, 04:24 PM
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Jun 6 2013, 07:45 PM
US admiral urges compromise in Asian sea dispute
Associated Press
8:11 pm | Wednesday, June 5th, 2013

Adm. Samuel Locklear, commander of U.S. Pacific Command speaks during a press conference at a hotel in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Wednesday, June 5, 2013. AP

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — The U.S. will oppose moves by any country to seize control of disputed areas in the South China Sea by force, the top American military commander in the Pacific said Wednesday, adding that rival claimants might need to seek compromises to resolve the feud over potentially oil-rich territories.

Adm. Samuel Locklear, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, did not mention any country by name, but China’s increasingly aggressive claims to disputed islands have triggered worries about confrontations with others including the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

“We will oppose the change of status quo by force by anyone,” Locklear told reporters during a visit to Malaysia. “We need to retain the status quo until we get to a code of conduct or a solution by party nations that is peacefully accepted.”

Southeast Asian governments want a legally binding code of conduct with China to deter hostile actions and prevent fighting. But Beijing has not clearly said when it would discuss the proposal.

Locklear said the U.S. would not take sides but added that a code of conduct that enables maritime officers “to understand the boundaries of what they can do (would be) in the best interest for a peaceful solution.”

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So how are we suppose to believe this Bull---? THEN WHY DID THEY LET CHINA GRAB SCARBOROUGH SHOAL FROM US????!!! :dunno:
How Pathetic! :headbang:
Then why didn't we ask help directly from them? I repeat to say that U.S. will not defend our own country's territory for us; we need the initiative to either ask help from their government directly or defend it ourselves.
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Jun 7 2013, 05:24 PM
Then why didn't we ask help directly from them? I repeat to say that U.S. will not defend our own country's territory for us; we need the initiative to either ask help from their government directly or defend it ourselves.
That's a good answer mi hermano.

For things to go your way - Kicking the Chinese out. The Philippines has to modernize and attain the so called "Minimum Credible Defense" fast. The alleged "lack of U.S. resolve" (which the Chinese thinks) could be a result of decades of conflict. But this may be reversed if the Philippines can convince the world that things have indeed changed. You have to show them that you are willing do your part and stand up against them.

Do allow me to ask a few questions. I have noticed many defense forums lately and the activity has been picking up. My questions are...

1) Outside these forums, is the general populace aware of what is going on?
2) If they are, do they care? Have you asked the regular "Juan" on what their thoughts are on the situation?
3) Or are they just more concerned about what's going in show business with it's latest gossip and scandals?
4) Is there a general air of indifference?
5) Are the politicians still busy looking out for the old "numero uno" - themselves?


Play smart and don't fall into the Chinese trap. Don't let them goad you into making mistakes. Use the media to expand your cause and expose the insidious PROC. You showed the world you could do it once - EDSA. I am sure you can do it again. Ever though of having one in Scarborough Shoal? It may be a gargantuan task but you have the advantage of distance. Should be worth a try. Imagine all the publicity you would gain worldwide.
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Jun 7 2013, 06:31 PM
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Jun 7 2013, 05:24 PM
Then why didn't we ask help directly from them? I repeat to say that U.S. will not defend our own country's territory for us; we need the initiative to either ask help from their government directly or defend it ourselves.
That's a good answer mi hermano.

For things to go your way - Kicking the Chinese out. The Philippines has to modernize and attain the so called "Minimum Credible Defense" fast. The alleged "lack of U.S. resolve" (which the Chinese thinks) could be a result of decades of conflict. But this may be reversed if the Philippines can convince the world that things have indeed changed. You have to show them that you are willing do your part and stand up against them.

Do allow me to ask a few questions. I have noticed many defense forums lately and the activity has been picking up. My questions are...

1) Outside these forums, is the general populace aware of what is going on?
2) If they are, do they care? Have you asked the regular "Juan" on what their thoughts are on the situation?
3) Or are they just more concerned about what's going in show business with it's latest gossip and scandals?
4) Is there a general air of indifference?
5) Are the politicians still busy looking out for the old "numero uno" - themselves?


Play smart and don't fall into the Chinese trap. Don't let them goad you into making mistakes. Use the media to expand your cause and expose the insidious PROC. You showed the world you could do it once - EDSA. I am sure you can do it again. Ever though of having one in Scarborough Shoal? It may be a gargantuan task but you have the advantage of distance. Should be worth a try. Imagine all the publicity you would gain worldwide.
This might be well out-of-topic, but I would like to entertain some questions that I could at least answer;

1. Yes, the populace is aware of what is going on
2. And this is the problem. The people expected PNOY to make an overnight miracle and drive the Chinese away by his own will alone. The populace here might have made a difference if they had voted wisely. But they threw it away like mere trash because of the dazzling allure of TV Ads, (at this part pardon my speech) and allowing the likes of Nancy Binay to enter the halls of high governance.
3. Honest answer? Yes, they are more concerned in the allure of insignificant TV Ads.
4. A big yes. Actually, indifference is incorrect, the more proper term I think is fatalism.
5. Yes, they are. Just look at Villafuerte, Cataquiz, and many other politicians out there.

Sorry for the interruption, now :btt:
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US military commander, Phl execs tackle sea row
By Jaime Laude (philstar.com)
Updated June 7, 2013 - 5:30pm


MANILA, Philippines - Top defense and military officials on Friday tackled behind closed door the mounting tension in the West Philippine Sea with US top military commander.

“The Admiral discussed how the US could contribute in enhancing the capability of the AFP in meeting emerging security challenges to include maritime security,” defense spokesperson Anne Marie Sta. Ana said in a press statement.

One of the emerging security challenges in the region is China’s deployment of its warships and surveillance vessels to press its maritime claim in the West Philippine Sea, particularly at Ayungin Shoal and Panganiban Reef, now China's naval outpost near Palawan.

Since his assumption as USPACOM commander last year, almost the time when China started flexing its muscle in claiming almost 80 percent of the entire South China Sea, Locklear has been in the country thrice.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/06/07/951301/us-military-commander-phl-execs-tackle-sea-row



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China 'throwing down the hatchet' with U.S.
Admiral: 'We're in another Cold War with another communist, totalitarian regime'
June 7, 2013

China is claiming control over the vast majority of the South China Sea in its latest effort to challenge U.S. authority, and President Obama must make it clear that cannot happen, warns retired U.S. Navy Admiral James “Ace” Lyons.

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President Obama has to be very clear and let China know we will not tolerate their illegal claims to these vast ocean areas that have been recognized for centuries as international waters,” said Lyons, who argued that Obama has a golden opportunity to set things straight this week when he meets with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in California. “This will probably be one of the first issues discussed at the summit, and I’m sure that our allies will be watching carefully how President Obama handles this issue.”

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"The United States Navy has stood for freedom of navigation and the right of innocent passage for over 236 years, and we’re certainly not going to change course now. And we’re certainly not going to back down on that recognized principle. China has to recognize they’ve benefited greatly from that principle,” Lyons said.

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The admiral warned this move by the Chinese is a major step toward a larger, more disturbing goal: surpassing the United States on the high seas.

“China has built a navy specifically to fight the United States Navy. You know, their anti-ship ballistic missile is not to go against the Bangladesh navy,” Lyons said. “We should consider that an unfriendly act. By their actions, they have thrown down the hatchet. They really are signaling to us that we are entering the 21st century where we’re in another Cold War with another communist, totalitarian regime,” he said.

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So what would the best U.S. strategy be to make the Chinese reverse course?

“First of all, we have to make clear to China that we will stand by our mutual defense treaty with our allies over this issue should hostilities develop,” said Lyons, who is very critical of what he sees as decreasing of our military might.

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Lyons admits China holding a sizable chunk of America’s debt hurts U.S. efforts to demand policy changes, but he said it’s not as big of a factor as some suggest.

“I think that works both ways. That’s one side of the equation, but we also have leverage on the other. I believe China needs us more than we need them,” he said. “They need this market here, and they can’t afford to lose it.”

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anyone interested in a joint bilateral exercise for asean and also invite america, india, sokor, japan, russia, australia, britain in it. conduct amphibious exercises in host countries and naval drills in WPS. main purpose is to increases relation between all the nations and put aside difference in the disputed waters and end up helping each other in WPS. also to show presence against beijing that the one rope unite to many ropes which is harder to break.
Edited by fernandez705, Jun 11 2013, 01:22 AM.
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i still hope that the philippines is just waiting for the ruling from ITLOS so if SHTF(rammings escalating into firing) we have the legal mandate and the bully cannot claim self-defense(in firing) since they have no business being in panatag or ayungin assuming a favorable ITLOS ruling in our favor..... and by extension, it is much easier for allies, e.g. US / Japan to intervene and help us since we have the international legal mandate(ITLOS ruling in our favor). lastly ,its also easier and faster to call for a UN resolution condemning the bully.

Edited by pachador, Jun 11 2013, 11:54 AM.
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