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Retitled: China's "De facto" Control of Panatag Shoal/Bajo De Masinloc; Old Title: China ropes off Scarborough Shoal
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Topic Started: Aug 10 2012, 07:38 PM (25,217 Views)
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dewey
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Oct 27 2013, 11:55 PM
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imo, the chinese are pretreating the concrete before any constuction to make sure it will hold under seawater. grp should be careful. if it is not ours, we should remove it. or even use it for our own purpose, afterall its in our territory. tingnan naten kung hindi aangal yung tunay na nag lagay
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IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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Ayoshi
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Nov 3 2013, 09:47 AM
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PH not buying China’s takeover of Panatag shoal November 2, 2013
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Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte made the pronouncement after the New York Times reported that Maj. Gen. Zhang Zhaozhong of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army revealed that China is set to seal and control areas around Panatag Shoal and take more from the said territory which lies within the 200 nautical miles exclusive economic zone of the Philippines per the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas. <Snipped> President Aquino has repeatedly said that Philippines exercises full sovereignty and jurisdiction over Panatag Shoal which is one of the islands in West Philippine Sea where China is staking claims despite the islands being located within the Manila’s exclusive economic zone. “We would like to act with prudence here. We don’t want to react to every single thing they and cause tension every time,” Valte added.
source: manilatimes.net
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Nov 4 2013, 11:32 PM
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China already invaded us without noticing it...have you heard the news that black sand cores are being collected by the Chinese on the shores of Zambales and Ilocos where their barges are??? We look at Panatag shoal but we deem to not notice the inner problem the Chinese are doing to our shores. DENR and Local government blaming each other on who to blame but the reality of collecting the said black sand by these bullies still exists...
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Nov 5 2013, 12:46 PM
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And now they will invade MRT, as they will supply the 48 coaches... OMG...
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Nov 5 2013, 06:20 PM
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China will Start war, if it does not fall apart
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A short list of these wars includes a unifying war with Taiwan in 2020-2025, and even if the U.S. and Japan intervene, China will win without doubts.
The next battle will be over the Spratly Islands with Vietnam, and possibly with the Philippines in 2025-2030. Then there will be a war with India for the return of Southern Tibet in 2035-2040. Next there will be Japan and the return of the Senkaku Islands and the Ryukyu Islands (2040-2045), followed by unification of Outer Mongolia (now MHP) in 2045-2050. And, finally, a war with Russia that since the time of the "Old China" occupied 1.6 million square kilometers of land and consequently, by the definition of the newspaper, is the worst enemy of China who after winning the previous five wars must be forced to pay.
It should be emphasized that this was published in a rather serious paper. It cannot and should not be refuted. Any military analyst knows that China, with all due respect to its armed forces, will be defeated in the first war over Taiwan. The U.S., NATO and Japan are many times stronger than the PRC in all respects. In addition, under the current communist regime this path of the historical development is not realistic. The Chinese Constitution adopted a defensive doctrine that rejects the principle of the first attack, and provides for the appropriate structure of the armed forces.
China operates just 1 Aircraft carrier and most nato nations operate carriers, Even just a war with japan would not be easy.
Edited by Aero, Nov 5 2013, 06:22 PM.
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Hong Nam
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Nov 5 2013, 09:25 PM
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China will Start war, if it does not fall apart- Quote:
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A short list of these wars includes a unifying war with Taiwan in 2020-2025, and even if the U.S. and Japan intervene, China will win without doubts.
The next battle will be over the Spratly Islands with Vietnam, and possibly with the Philippines in 2025-2030. Then there will be a war with India for the return of Southern Tibet in 2035-2040. Next there will be Japan and the return of the Senkaku Islands and the Ryukyu Islands (2040-2045), followed by unification of Outer Mongolia (now MHP) in 2045-2050. And, finally, a war with Russia that since the time of the "Old China" occupied 1.6 million square kilometers of land and consequently, by the definition of the newspaper, is the worst enemy of China who after winning the previous five wars must be forced to pay.
It should be emphasized that this was published in a rather serious paper. It cannot and should not be refuted. Any military analyst knows that China, with all due respect to its armed forces, will be defeated in the first war over Taiwan. The U.S., NATO and Japan are many times stronger than the PRC in all respects. In addition, under the current communist regime this path of the historical development is not realistic. The Chinese Constitution adopted a defensive doctrine that rejects the principle of the first attack, and provides for the appropriate structure of the armed forces.
China operates just 1 Aircraft carrier and most nato nations operate carriers, Even just a war with japan would not be easy.
Thanks. It's a good read.
However, the title does not reflect the author's (Yuri Skidanov's) true sentiment. He doesn't think it will happen - meaning China will NOT start wars to take back what was once theirs; he believes in a strong Russia/China partnership; and believes this is part of a complex and clever scheme hatched by the CIA - as shown in the last 4 paragraphs of his article:
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1.) What was the reason behind publishing this unscientific fiction? It was done in order to give direction to the ideological work of the internal opposition groups closely associated with private capital and corrupt government officials in the event of the collapse of the Communist Party.
2.) I am positive that the originators of this and other similar publications are guided by this logic (the logic in which China is on the war path). In the case of the military saga there is a similar task - to heat concerns of China's neighbors by the alleged claims to certain lands, forcing them to limit the economic cooperation and prevent the penetration of China's domestic markets. At the same time appropriations for the purchase of weapons (He obviously infers to US military hardware) will be increased. It is noteworthy that nowhere in the forecast a war with the U.S. is mentioned. The latter is only referenced as a source of financial aid to China's enemies.
3.) Obviously, one of the main objectives is to drive a wedge between Russia and China, because the union of Russian nuclear technology and Chinese defense and human capacity is able to stop and defeat any aggressor. The same goal was set by the U.S. intelligence community judging by the forecast of the CIA published earlier this year.
4.) It is clear that the two publications will not affect the political climate. However, they are interesting because these topics are covered by the media in such a detailed and open manner for the first time. Therefore, it can be concluded that in the future these theses will be developed and expanded in a number of other media outlets in line with the principles of the organization of information warfare where the CIA has a great deal of experience.
That's the bottom-line of this article. I had my doubts the moment I saw it was an article from PRAVDA.
Edited by Hong Nam, Nov 5 2013, 09:28 PM.
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Jan 15 2014, 01:28 AM
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China planning permanent structures on Bajo de Masinloc?
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MANILA, Philippines - China has maintained a continued naval presence on Bajo de Masinloc or Scarborough Shoal, which is widely seen as a preparation for the establishment of a permanent structure well within Philippine territorial waters in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
A confidential Philippine government report acknowledged that Beijing will use its growing military capability to assert its sovereignty and control in the disputed territories despite Manila’s assertions and continued diplomatic efforts to resolve the disputes.
Documents obtained by News5 showed that Chinese Coast Guard and Marine Surveillance vessels have been constantly present on the shoal as far back as April 2012.
Apart from the ships, it appears China has also been placing buoys as a “prelude” to the establishment of a permanent presence on the shoal.
Bajo de Masinloc, the largest atoll in the West Philippine Sea, which China calls Huangyan Island, sits on an area believed to hold vast mineral, oil, and gas reserves.
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Bajo de Masinloc's importance to China
French geographer Francois-Xavier Bonnet, research associate of the Bangkok-based Research Institute on Contemporary Southeast Asia, explains the importance of Bajo de Masinloc to China in his November 2012 paper titled Geopolitics of Scarborough Shoal.
He says the shoal is part of a larger archipelago called Zhongsha Qundao, whose only features above sea level are the few rocks on Bajo de Masinloc.
“The stakes are high... If China loses these rocks, it would not only lose the natural resources around the shoal (fishing grounds and the potential deposits of polymetallic nodules4) but also the possibility of claiming Zhongsha Qundao and, by consequence, the whole of the South China Sea,” says Bonnet.
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/78689/china-planning-permanent-structures-on-bajo-de-masinloc
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Jan 15 2014, 01:29 AM
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^ The more we need to make sure it doesn't fall on their hands.
And the more impt. those FA-50s are. The FA-50 can easily take off from nearby Clark or other nearby airbases and do a discrete bombing of any structures. Get in, bomb and get out fast. They are not useless.
Edited by icefrog, Mar 3 2014, 03:46 PM.
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Feb 25 2014, 12:43 AM
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China says unaware of water cannon incident (abs-cbnnews.com)
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China has since the beginning of the year required foreign fishing boats to get approval before entering waters that China claims as its own.
"I don't know anything about the specific situation that you just mentioned, but I want to emphasize that China has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and their surrounding maritime territory. The relevant Chinese maritime forces are also carrying out normal official patrols in that area," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.
Edited by Ayoshi, Feb 25 2014, 12:44 AM.
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Feb 25 2014, 06:53 PM
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PHL protests Chinese harassment in Panatag Shoal (gmanetwork.com)
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This came after President Benigno Aquino III demanded an explanation from China over a report that its coast guard had fired water cannon at Filipino fishermen at the disputed shoal.
"The first step would be a diplomatic message... directed at the People's Republic of China to ask them to explain what this incident was all about, what their intentions are," Aquino told reporters, when asked whether a formal protest would be lodged.
===== DFA summons Chinese diplomat to protest water canon incident (inquirer.net)
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DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez said that it has summoned China’s chargés d’ affaires to “strongly protest” the prohibition of Filipino fishermen from the shoal.
“The Chinese vessel continuously blew its horn and doused the fishing vessel for several minutes,” Hernandez said. He also said that there have been several previous incidents of harassment in 2013.
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