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Retitled: China's "De facto" Control of Panatag Shoal/Bajo De Masinloc; Old Title: China ropes off Scarborough Shoal
Topic Started: Aug 10 2012, 07:38 PM (25,222 Views)
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What is the classic answer on stopping a bully...have a backbone for goodness sake and stop reacting.
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Roilo Golez: China can convert our Bajo de Masinloc or Scarborough Shoal into a large naval station!

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In a privilege speech I delivered almost 14 years ago on Bajo de Masinloc or Scarborough Shoal, I opened with the following observations:


"Why would a military behemoth and an emerging economic power such as China be so preoccupied with microscopic Scarborough Shoal which rightly belongs to us in the first place?

When US naval forces were still occupying Subic, the area was used for naval gunfire target practice by the US Navy. China did not make even a whimper. Obviously, the reason was that the US Navy was too big to handle.

No less than the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea sealed off our territorial jurisdiction on Scarborough Shoal which is situated well within the 200-mile exclusive economic zone.

The answer, Mr. Speaker, is military posturing. Scarborough Shoal is part of China's military projection at the South China Sea.

In Scarborough Shoal, China has found a perfect forward fortress at the east to back up its slow but nonstop political and naval march towards the north, where there are Korea, Japan, Taiwan, among others. China has unleashed a blob at the South China Sea, floating eastward, growing slowly, menacingly, nearly unopposed, devouring every speck, every shoal and reef along the way.

Chinese military contingents are already positioned in various reefs, islets, and rocks of the South China Sea Region, particularly in the Spratlys and the Paracels. Scarborough Shoal is just one more step forward in their bid to secure full control of the world’s second busiest international sea lane."



And I concluded with this warning:

"Mr. Speaker, it is apparent from the foregoing that what the Philippines is facing is not a gentle, lovable Chinese panda, but a fire-breathing highly awakened Chinese dragon. It is a delicate, complex and crucial policy issue that we must resolve for the sake of the next generation. To me, it is a security threat that could overshadow all threats that we faced in the century that is about to end."


I am showing an aerial photo of our Shoal. It is not small. Its area of around 150 square kilometers makes the Shoal as big as Quezon City or around three times the area of Paranaque. China with its resources and engineering capability can easily convert our Shoal into a big naval station. Around its perimeter alone, 100 052D Class Chinese guided missile destroyers or DDGs can be berthed. Inside the 49 feet deep lagoon, more than 200 DDGs can be anchored (a destroyer has a draft of around 31 feet).

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It is my considered opinion that China intends to convert our Shoal into a naval station the same way they did to the much smaller Mischief Reef. This is the danger that faces us within this decade.


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Now that is a politician who hasn't forgotten his military roots. I guess this is the difference between a PMA/USNA - Annapolis graduate from a PMA class goat!!! :snipemo:

Edited by Hong Nam, Sep 4 2013, 09:44 AM.

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Coast Guard ready to check for new incursions

By Raymund F. Antonio
Published: September 4, 2013
The Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) may redeploy its ships to conduct maritime patrol in Bajo de Masinloc, also known as Panatag or Scarborough Shoal off Zambales if it is asked by higher authorities to defend the country’s territorial claim over the disputed area.

PCG spokesperson Command Armand Balilo said they are ready to deploy a ship and check if there is really a fresh incursion by China.

“The PCG is prepared once Malacañang instructs us to deploy (a ship) and check it,” he said.

Last year, the PCG made its presence felt in the vicinity of Panatag Shoal when it sent BRP Pampanga and its alternate ships, BRP EDSA and BRP Corregidor.

For two months, these ships maintained its position in the lagoon following a standoff with China.

The PCG, however, was prompted to pull out its maritime assets because of the bad weather.

Balilo said that the last time the PCG ships were in Bajo de Masinloc was in June 2012.

The Coast Guard is getting ready to go back and guard Scarborough Shoal following the reported sightings of three Chinese vessels and several concrete blocks in the disputed area.

Authorities perceived the presence of the concrete blocks there as preparatory to possible construction of a structure by China.

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Closer and clearer photo of the concrete blocks at Scarborough Shoal shared by Maj. Cabunoc.

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Philippines Says it Finds More Chinese Blocks on Reef

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/philippines-says-it-finds/802046.html

POSTED: 04 Sep 2013 5:24 PM

MANILA: The Philippines said on Wednesday it had spotted more concrete blocks allegedly installed by China on a small group of reefs and rocky outcrops within Filipino territory in the South China Sea.Aerial surveillance discovered about 75 blocks scattered on a section of the Scarborough Shoal, said defence department spokesman Peter Galvez."These can be used for platforms (or) foundations, that is why we said earlier this could be a prelude to any other form of construction," he told reporters Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei rejected the Philippine allegations."What has been said by the Philippines isn't true. Huangyan Island is China's inherent territory," Hong told state television CCTV in an interview, using the Chinese name for the shoal.

The Philippines had earlier released an aerial photograph taken Saturday of what it said were about 30 concrete blocks at Scarborough.A second surveillance flight on Monday photographed more blocks scattered over a two-hectare (4.9-acre) section of the shoal, said Galvez, who did not release the newer photograph.It was unclear whether the extra blocks were newly laid or were missed by the earlier sweep, he said.He declined to speculate on whether Manila thought the Chinese would actually build structures there.Galvez said any construction would violate a 2002 non-binding agreement between China and its Southeast Asian neighbours to refrain from actions or hostile acts that could inflame tensions in the flashpoint region.


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Sigh. Since last year i was wrting about sense of urgency, but until now, thereis no sense of urgency among elected officials, worse, more and more personalities na walang paki alam gets elected and prioritized those expanded child abuse bill, those negosyo- negosyo para sa kabataan programs will not help us resolve the greatest threat that we are facing right now.

We continue to lose every inch of our territory, our islands one by one, yet the focus of the government are still on the vote rich "masa". These go******d masa are the roots of all our problems, and they are the least caring for our nation ( in terms of taxes, patriotism) yet they get all the attention and services of the government at the expense of the good taxpayers.

Malacañang and batasan, what are you waiting for? We are eaten slowly yet you never learned. Our fishermen brothers from zambales and la union were complaining that their catch diminished dramatically after they cannot fish on panatag shoal our officials did nothing.

Let us wait for another typhoon and we will deliberately aground again another rp vessel loaded with fully armed troops, this time in bajo de masinloc. This is the only solution to establish presence there.
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As per AKZALS' announcement in the shout box...

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China Denies Philippine Claim of Construction in Disputed Area
Bloomberg News
Sep 4, 2013
4:20 PM GMT+0700

China denied a Philippine claim that it's preparing to build a structure on an uninhabited shoal in the South China Sea claimed by both countries.
"The situation claimed by the Philippines is not true," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a briefing in Beijing today. He spoke a day after Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said Philippine forces saw three Chinese coast guard ships and concrete blocks in the Scarborough Shoal as of Aug. 31. China calls the shoal Huangyan Island.

"The Chinese government’s sending ships to maintain regular patrols in Huangyan waters to protect its sovereignty and keep order is China’s legitimate right," Hong said.



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So you are to be told that it's either one of these or a combination of any of them:

1. You are seeing things - it's all in your imagination.
2. It's a "freak" of nature - rapid growing cube corals.
3. Those concrete blocks are the latest state of the art Chinese submarines - conducting patrols.

** Disclaimer** The Chinese foreign ministry spokesman - Hong Lei is in no way related to me.


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75 blocks found in shoal
China incursion like taking over neighbor's garage, says Gazmin

Philippine Daily Inquirer
7:49 am Thursday, September 5th, 2013


MANILA, Philippines - Defense officials on Wednesday said a military aerial survey had spotted more concrete blocks installed by China in the Scarborough Shoal, calling the latest Chinese incursion as "a neighbor taking over one's garage without permission."

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin the other day said a Navy aerial photograph taken last Saturday had shown 30 concrete blocks at Scarborough indicating Chinese intentions to build fortifications in the disputed reef.

But a second reconnaissance flight on Monday showed that there were actually more blocks, around 75, occupying a two-hectare area in the northern section of Scarborough, defense spokesperson Peter Galvez said on Wednesday.

Any Chinese construction at the disputed shoal would be in violation of the Declaration of Conduct (DOC), a nonbinding confidence-building agreement signed by Beijing and its neighbors in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) to refrain from actions or hostile acts that could inflame tensions in the flashpoint region.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hong Lei on Wednesday rejected the Philippine allegations.


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China denies constructing in Panatag
By Camille Diola (philstar.com) | Updated September 5, 2013 - 10:05am

MANILA, Philippines -Beijing categorically denied building concrete facilities in the disputed Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal in the West Philippine Sea, purportedly sighted recently by Philippine defense officials.

Asked to confirm if there are at least 75 concrete blocks on the shoal, China Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei insisted that Panatag or "Huangyan Island" is within China's domain.

"What the Philippines said is untrue. The Huangyan Island is China's inherent territory," Hong said in a press briefing televised over China's state television Wednesday.

"It is within China's legitimate rights and interests and beyond dispute," he added.......................


typical PROC bs, their asked one thing and they reply about another. why dont they just record their standard propaganda responses and play these when asked a question. anyway, probably the ship crews on guard use the concrete blocks to play chinese checkers :drunk:
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