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Retitled: China's "De facto" Control of Panatag Shoal/Bajo De Masinloc; Old Title: China ropes off Scarborough Shoal
Topic Started: Aug 10 2012, 07:38 PM (25,215 Views)
Samir_Duran
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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/46289/china-ropes-off-panatag-shoal
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Uruzu
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Less talk, more action please.
Just cut the ropes already.
And restore that lighthouse and garrison around it.

Look at the Japanese. They know talking does not work with the Chinese. That's why the Tokyo government is negotiating with the owners of the Senkaku Islands. Buy the islands outright and possibly place a garrison or two there.
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Uruzu
Aug 10 2012, 09:39 PM
Less talk, more action please.
Just cut the ropes already.
And restore that lighthouse and garrison around it.

Look at the Japanese. They know talking does not work with the Chinese. That's why the Tokyo government is negotiating with the owners of the Senkaku Islands. Buy the islands outright and possibly place a garrison or two there.
Let's just say that I 100% agree with you in principle.

But I don't want to be accused of being a war-monger :lollol: and stoke the embers of an already volatile situation. So officially, I will just say "No Comment". :nono:

Maybe something is afoot but it is OPSEC.
Covert Ops? Plausible Denial?
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Edited by Hong Nam, Aug 10 2012, 09:59 PM.

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Uruzu
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Hong Nam
Aug 10 2012, 09:56 PM
Uruzu
Aug 10 2012, 09:39 PM
Less talk, more action please.
Just cut the ropes already.
And restore that lighthouse and garrison around it.

Look at the Japanese. They know talking does not work with the Chinese. That's why the Tokyo government is negotiating with the owners of the Senkaku Islands. Buy the islands outright and possibly place a garrison or two there.
Let's just say that I 100% agree with you in principle.

But I don't want to be accused of being a war-monger :lollol: and stoke the embers of an already volatile situation. So officially, I will just say "No Comment". :nono:

Maybe something is afoot but it is OPSEC.
Covert Ops? Plausible Denial?
:rifle:



Yes I know the actions will ''stoke the embers'.

But when one side refuses to talk fair and keep carrying out actions that has every intention to escalate the situation, (like sending out 100 boats in a standoff, or sending a big fishing fleet deliberately, or threatening military action, or coercive economic actions etc), standing aside and do absolutely no action (aside from the ''we will plan what we will do blah blah'' statement ) is the worst possible kind of response. This is exactly what the term appeasement means.

Let's say the Chinese see no concrete response from closing the reef. I hope this doesn't embolden them to repeat what they did on Mischief. Next set up a few structures in Scarborough. Then grow them to be bases to be garrisoned.
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Samir_Duran
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Uruzu
Aug 10 2012, 10:08 PM
Hong Nam
Aug 10 2012, 09:56 PM
Uruzu
Aug 10 2012, 09:39 PM
Less talk, more action please.
Just cut the ropes already.
And restore that lighthouse and garrison around it.

Look at the Japanese. They know talking does not work with the Chinese. That's why the Tokyo government is negotiating with the owners of the Senkaku Islands. Buy the islands outright and possibly place a garrison or two there.
Let's just say that I 100% agree with you in principle.

But I don't want to be accused of being a war-monger :lollol: and stoke the embers of an already volatile situation. So officially, I will just say "No Comment". :nono:

Maybe something is afoot but it is OPSEC.
Covert Ops? Plausible Denial?
:rifle:



Yes I know the actions will ''stoke the embers'.

But when one side refuses to talk fair and keep carrying out actions that has every intention to escalate the situation, (like sending out 100 boats in a standoff, or sending a big fishing fleet deliberately, or threatening military action, or coercive economic actions etc), standing aside and do absolutely no action (aside from the ''we will plan what we will do blah blah'' statement ) is the worst possible kind of response. This is exactly what the term appeasement means.

Let's say the Chinese see no concrete response from closing the reef. I hope this doesn't embolden them to repeat what they did on Mischief. Next set up a few structures in Scarborough. Then grow them to be bases to be garrisoned.
I beg to disagree on "do absolutely no action". Our best lawyers have been working on legal aspects. Our best diplomats are working on the diplomatic aspects. And our Commander-in-Chief is working hard on the political and military aspects. Your AFP is on stand by and is ready for any eventuality. What is lacking is the opinion and readiness of the people as a whole - and this is the one you are seeing right now - no action! Capt. Faeldon was right when he mentioned it on Dong Puno's Kalibre 41 interview last August 8.
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Samir_Duran
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DFA hopes China will take out the ropes

Just cut the f*cking rope and start building a fisherman's shelter and have those Filipino fishermen stay on the shoal guarded by our Navy. Do the same sh*t they did on Mischief reef.
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Samir_Duran
Aug 11 2012, 03:18 AM
DFA hopes China will take out the ropes

Just cut the f*cking rope and start building a fisherman's shelter and have those Filipino fishermen stay on the shoal guarded by our Navy. Do the same sh*t they did on Mischief reef.
I dont know why it is taking so long for the government to decide or to take decisive actions on these issue. Are they still formulating plans or they just dont want to piss off China? I hope this does not end in another mischief reef and then "magtuturuan na naman" mga ahensya ng gobyerno sa lapses nila. :headbang:
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astro_boy2005
Aug 11 2012, 12:05 PM
Samir_Duran
Aug 11 2012, 03:18 AM
DFA hopes China will take out the ropes

Just cut the f*cking rope and start building a fisherman's shelter and have those Filipino fishermen stay on the shoal guarded by our Navy. Do the same sh*t they did on Mischief reef.
I dont know why it is taking so long for the government to decide or to take decisive actions on these issue. Are they still formulating plans or they just dont want to piss off China? I hope this does not end in another mischief reef and then "magtuturuan na naman" mga ahensya ng gobyerno sa lapses nila. :headbang:
Time for a history lesson, I think.

I agree with you, Mr. Samir, and here's my proof that your action could be for the good.

This is a case between former superpowers. Before 1941, Hitler started to send high-altitude planes to scout Russia for Operation Barbarossa (invasion of Soviet Russia), but then, Russia has the capability to intercept those planes, and the local squadron commander asked if they could intercept. But immediately, Stalin ordered this man to be removed from his post.

You see? Even a superpower like Russia at Stalin's time is afraid of another young superpower, Germany.

So, we need to break the "humility" gene for once and start acting.

Although, there is still safety on the side of caution.



Although, if Aquino's administration keeps up the "no comment" policy, I think they are trying to implicate China more into the world court. Our administration seem to be letting China to commit crimes at their doorstep, so as to implicate them further when we file a case against them.

If I am correct, then I would be saluting Aquino gambit; he's more of a gambler than a poker player at Las Vegas.
Edited by Parastriker, Aug 11 2012, 01:22 PM.
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I thought I heard in an interview with either Gazmin or Del Rosario a week or two back, that the ropes were already removed... how many times are the Chinese putting ropes in there, or was this already an old news?
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Mckoyzzz
Aug 11 2012, 02:23 PM
I thought I heard in an interview with either Gazmin or Del Rosario a week or two back, that the ropes were already removed... how many times are the Chinese putting ropes in there, or was this already an old news?
If they have put new ones, then this news is new.

If not, then this new is old.
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